My Harry Potter Chamber of Secrets boxes have already 4xād from $150 a box to around $600 a box. So to deny that the price will rise from when I bought them is just incorrect.
I already see people buying Harry Potter booster boxes on Instagram saying things like āDid you know wotc did Harry Potter?ā. The reflected glory of Pokemon wotc boxes is one factor. The fact they are cheap in comparison to the Pokemon boxes that will keep rising into the 10ās of thousands of dollars into the future too.
I will say that Harry Potter cards are not as appealing to me as Pokemon of course. Also not appealing to me as other card games such as Illuminati.
You raise some ok points but they do not account for all the factors. I am pretty confident Harry Potter booster boxes will continue to rise within the next few years. The new game coming out soon will likely help, as well as the increase in price of Pokemon etc.
The Illuminati card game is a serious cult classic from the 1990ās. It has been a favorite of Conspiracy circles for decades and the price on most boxes has 3-5xād in the last year.
Illuminati is an example of a card game where I am happy to collect them even if the price does not rise either way as I really like the cards and find them culturally significant.
There is another really good card game from the 1990ās that I will not reveal as I still want to buy a lot of it, but it is very good quality.
I like to collect Pokemon too, but for the time being I am mostly done buying cards except for a few here and there.
Yeah its not like it will get as popular as MTG or Pokemon but it will likely get some hype once the box prices start rising more significantly and people get fomo. It is a funny thing, often people pay less attention to buying something when the price is cheap in comparison to when the price is high.
with that being said, i do want to pick up some additional boxes for the holidays this year. i feel like i want to do some good box openings for myself and get some cards graded, since there is really no graded hp cards. canāt do that with vintage pokemon, but vintage hp is very accessible.
Before this thread Iāve never heard of the HP TCG. I have a lot of friends who are into HP, but never ever have I heard any of them mentioning these cards.
Theyāre neat nontheless. Good luck to anyone buying these with investment intentions.
Investing in the Harry Potter TCG seems like an insanely bad idea. Yes, Harry Potter is popular. But there are tons of others CCGs based on popular franchises that are worth dirt.
If you want to invest in the Harry Potter franchise, go ahead. But buy a 1st edition copy of the Sorcererās Stone or something ā donāt buy failed third-party trading cards that no one cares about. Just because they are based on a popular franchise doesnāt mean they should or ever will be worth something.
Iām not trying to ridicule you, but Iām just genuinely curious: why do you think the Harry Potter TCG will end up any differently than any other failed TCG? Mario is a higher grossing franchise than Harry Potter and you can still buy sealed packs of official Mario trading cards (released in 1989) for less than $2 each.
Just because a franchise is successful doesnāt mean the trading card form will also be successful. In fact, we already know that the Harry Potter TCG wasnāt successful because it was nixed by WotC in 2003 after only being released in 2001. So itās already a failed TCG ā what makes you think that will change?
I would caution against your optimism, as HP is not like pokemon in how the different product lines can contribute to its TCG popularity and vice versa.
for most, i donāt think thereās a nostalgia for the card game itself. i think most people came to the TCG tangentially because they like other TCGs and like HP. at least, that is my situation.
@zorloth,
Well I paid $150 each on my Chamber of Secrets boxes and they are now $600. I am not sure what else there is to it?
Some factors that lead to me buying it, reflected glory of Pokemon wotc. Cheap in comparison to Pokemon that is rising higher and higher every day. People that grew up with Pokemon also grew up with Harry Potter (potential for some nostalgia?). They are old boxes now, would prefer to buy than most modern MTG for example. Though I have issues with Harry Potter as a story (I donāt like certain character traits etc, the messaging of the film), I do quite like the aesthetic (British aspects largely) of the films and they are kind of a classic. Also PSA started grading them a bit when I started buying the boxes.
I will come back to you in 12 months, we will see where Harry Potter booster boxes are priced. I am happy to take the gamble, it is working out so far. I am not trying to convince anyone to buy, that is my decision.
Yeah if the price of Harry Potter booster boxes doesnāt go up I wouldnāt care that much. I got collections of all sorts. Though as stated previously, my Chamber of Secrets boxes already 4xād, I donāt see why people donāt acknowledge that this box has already gone up 400% in a year or so. Doesnāt this disprove the theory that Harry Potter would ever go up in value?
Yeah also I know its not Pokemon, if it were the prices would be 200x of what they are now or something. Instead I will have to settle with 20x
Ah good point in the video though, it seems wotc/mtg pulled away from Harry Potter due to JK Rowling saying some un-PC things. Makes sense, mtg is cancer now.
And whoās buying these boxes at $600? Speculators. Thereās almost zero organic demand for these. I know this because there is an incredibly low sold market volume of single cards on eBay. The fact that these are $600 right now says nothing about the fundamentals of the product ā all it means is that there are foolish people out there who think that these will be the next big thing. The entire market is house of cards. A market with no organic demand cannot sustain itself over the medium and long term. If I were in your position, Iād cash out yesterday.
You really think that almost anyone feels nostalgia for Harry Potter cards? Iām sure thereās nostalgia for Harry Potter books or movies, but the TCG was objectively a failure. Re: the boxes being old ā so are Mario TCG boxes from 1989 and theyāre worthless. Age only contributes to an itemās value when thereās actually demand for that item.
Why would a Harry Potter game help? Because there have been some super iconic Mario games released since 1989 (some of which are among the best-selling video games of all time) and that didnāt seem to breath any life into the TCG. 99.99% of fans of Harry Potter are fans of Harry Potter because of the books and/or movies. Thereās no reason to believe they will care about the TCG. Everyone here loves Pokemon cards but that love doesnāt translate to every single licensed Pokemon product ever released.
And good luck with it. Perhaps the āgreater fool theoryā will come into play and youāll make money in the short-term. Absolutely not something to āinvestā in, though ā the correct word would be āspeculate.ā
You actually think that thereās any chance that this box increases 20x in value? That would make it $12k. Thatās more than some 1st Edition WotC boxes are worth lol. If the Harry Potter box continues to increase in value, Pokemon boxes have also continued to increase in value. If I had the 70 boxes you have, Iād start selling them now. It will take you a decade to sell 70 boxes without tanking the market. But you do you. I hope you succeed with this. But itās highly speculative and the only way youāll succeed is if more speculators enter the market and drive up prices further. Because thereās never going to be much organic demand for this crap.
I donāt agree with you, I would much rather have this box for around 600, although I bought mine for far less, than a 1st edition base set booster pokemon box for 217k for example. I really like harry potter and I am discovering the cards now as an adult and having a lot of fun with them. I plan to probably open some boxes and maybe start grading some of the cards for fun, at least I am going to create full binder sets of all the sets. Mine and other peoples enjoyment does not mean it will correlate to prices continuing to go up, as there may never be enough people who like it as much as me. But I definitely feel that the value is there given the amount of fun I am having for these prices as compared to pokemon. I feel a connection to the cards because it connects me to Harry Potter which like pokemon was a huge part of my childhood. I 100 percent agree that I would not suggest in investing in these lol, but I also would not be shocked if these continued to go up in value due to more people feeling the same way as me and just buying them because they like them, particularly if supply is not endless and things like pokemon cards continue to stay hot.
I donāt think we necessarily disagree. I think that if you genuinely enjoy buying these boxes, opening them, and putting together sets, then thatās great. Thatās the intended purpose of a booster box. So if, as you say, youāre getting your moneyās worth of enjoyment out of it, then itās worth it for that reason alone.
What I was responding to, however, was the person who bought 70 Harry Potter TCG boxes for āinvestment purposesā (his words, not mine). I believe, as you apparently also do, that this is a remarkably poor investment. If the strategy is to resell the boxes at a higher price to other speculators in the near future, then maybe thereās opportunity to profit. But thatās not āinvestingā ā thatās flipping. If the plan is to hold these boxes for a year or more with the expectation that they will increase in value, then that I think is an exceptionally poor decision. This is a market that could easily crumble ā if an influx of supply hits the market, thereās a very real chance that there wonāt be enough demand to absorb it and the market will become saturated. This is a risk that isnāt assumed when āinvestingā in more established speculative assets like Pokemon booster boxes. If 20 Skyridge booster boxes hit the market right now, the price might dip by 25% or even 50% for a period of time, but the supply would be quickly absorbed because people actually want to own/open Skyridge booster boxes. With Harry Potter TCG boxes, thereās close to zero organic demand. And that alone is enough of a risk to make it inviable as an investment.
I think we disagree on the demand side as for example I have had a number of people on my channel see them in the background and then get super interested in them, which is that organic collector non investor interest, which I think is what actually helped establish the pokemon hobby in the begininng and I worry is not the main source of what is driving the market now.
I think on the supply side, I have zero idea of how much product is out there and I completely agree that the supply side could totally overpower the limited interest, and the demand for pokemon is and will certainly always be in a different league for obvious reasons, IE not a dead tcg, people actually collected these exact cards as kids ectā¦ But for the price, these cards are so much less expensive than pokemon that I do see value there. I also think pokemon is insanely speculative and risky as well, so I obviously think investing in harry potter boxes is extremely speculative and risky but I wouldnāt say it is impossible that that market could really take off. There is always a chance that they make another Harry Potter TCG eventually which would could bring interest back into these cards. It is a weird time in collecting TCG at the moment, there is a lot of money and interest in these types of things right now. If influencers started hyping these Harry Potter cards directly I would not be shocked if some small market was established.
