From psa 9 to pristine 10

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I knew that a charizard shadowless psa 9 was sent to graduate to bgs and took pristine 10. Now I wonder how this is possible and a possible discussion about it. Thanks for all opinions :blush:

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I know of one the other way around but that was definitely overgraded as the centering was way off to be a PSA 10. Do you have before after of the one you are talking about?

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ā€œDo you have before after of the one you are talking about?ā€ mean the sub grade or photos?

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Either/both

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The sub is with 9.5 centring. And yes I have this photosā€¦

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Beckett overlooked something that PSA sawā€¦

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It is possible because grading is not an exact science, it depends always in the understanding of the grader of what is what, and everyone is different. Either way, that is a good looking card both front and back

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The problem is that in another words for me: a card that for an expert is a 9 an so value is around 1300 or around it and for an other expet is a perfect card and so value is 25k or more or around it. I think itā€™s a problem that two experts have a range of x25 x30 value difference.

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Thatā€™s the problem with BGS, their grading makes no sense in the pristine or higher category (at least for me personally). It took at least 2 PSA graders to agree on some area of imperfection to make it a PSA 9, it definitely wasnā€™t centering too that is easily in the 10 threshold.
I bet if you paid $10,000 to the person who graded that card for them to crack it open and resub to BGS in the hopes to get the BGS 10 again they would not do it. I wouldnā€™t do it either I have no confidence in their 10 grades.

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That or you have a self-healing Wolverine. (I suppose the cards could of been switched too buts thatā€™s probably only 1% likely)

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Maybe the centering gave it a psa 9 the first time but was a pretty clear Misgrade in the first place since itā€™s only slightly oc. If he resent it to psa it would probably have gotten a 10 and then if he crossed it after that nobody would be complaining

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You are making a mistake here.

The experts are only having a difference of deeming the card a 9 or a 10. The market has the x25 to x30 range that you speak of. I donā€™t agree with it personally as I donā€™t pay those prices for 10ā€™s and if you donā€™t like it you donā€™t have to either. It is your choice, but clearly the market is transparent in where it lies on that.

It is a fact that many cards exist on the boundary of these two numbers and some amount more will make this jump mistakenly. Taking you for your word I canā€™t speak as to why a card may go from a PSA 9 to a BGS 10, but one way I could picture it would be an otherwise perfect card that has a single but reasonable edge issue. This could be large enough for PSA to deem a 9 (potentially harshly/improperly). Then with BGSā€™s algorithm it would have a 10 for centering, 10 for surface, 10 for corners and 9 for edges. This would be deemed a BGS 10.

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think this is the example of the problems we often talk about. Differences in metric evaluations between psa and bgs, compulsive rigrado of the cards to obtain the hoped vote (one of the reasons that led psa to apply the tax we are talking about now), buy the grade and not the card, etc. This is the problem of the pokemon community for my eyes. This is only an exemple that not mean nothing more but itā€™s a point of analysis I think.

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Commenting so I can reference this next time people say bgs 10 is always better than PSA 10.

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Itā€™s almost as if grading cards is a subjective process.

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This is whyā€¦ im a PSA Guy, thanks @minorkey :grin:

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Just to point out, that example would make it a 9.5 unless Iā€™m mistaken :grin:

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I mean PSA 10 isnā€™t always better than PSA 9 even. I have cards that show that. Same goes for Black label not always being better than BGS 9.5 Iā€™m sure. Always is just too strong and absolute.

BGS 10 is mostly better than PSA 10 though.

Iā€™m sure it could be proven with a large sample of cards submitted to each 50x over but the time and cost associated with that would be too high for anyone to ever put the data together. @garyis2000 has anecdotal information about how many dozen PSA 10ā€™s of his wouldnā€™t cross to BGS 10. Iā€™d imagine he could have had better luck cracking them, but who would be crazy enough to do that? Especially knowing if they failed BGS 10, some amount of them would likely fail PSA 10 the second time around.

The more things like this come out the more it shows how inconsistent both companies can be, but the market doesnā€™t care because it still generally buys labels, not cards. I also donā€™t see any proof of the OP here, just everything being taken as fact, because people like the thought of it being true. I mean I wouldnā€™t be remotely surprised that it was true and donā€™t care either way but itā€™s just funny how itā€™s pretty much being taken for true unlike other more contentious threads with more initial evidence in the OP. I have a feeling if someone stated a BGS 9 crossed to PSA 10 without any proof people would have quickly been pointing that out and asking for some.

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@gottaketchumall, Yeah I was just commenting for the people who always tout BGS 10ā€™s as some mythical objective grade.

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I have already seen people offering to buy all PSA 9 shadowless/1st ed. charizards for the sole reason of cracking and achieving the same result as this one instanceā€¦ A little worrisome to say the least Iā€™d sayā€¦

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