In this particular kind of scam, there is nothing fraudulent about opening an item not received claim. Because you did not receive the item, normally I would agree with you. But not with this kind of scam.
How is it defrauding anybody? The OP just has to say that, despite the tracking showing that the item was delivered, that he didn’t receive the item. That’s factually true. There’s nothing fraudulent about that. In fact, it’s more accurate than saying the item wasn’t as described, because he didn’t even receive an item (let alone one that wasn’t as described).
I get what zorloth is getting at, which is trying to get eBay to side with you, but the methodology involves lying, which ozenigma is against.
I am not a lawyer and don’t know how it works legally, nor do i think i have the right to spew out moral lessons here, but i guess i can use an example.
Your friend stole your PSA graded card. You have no other proof other than you no longer have the card in your possession, so you break into their house on a weekend and stole it back and proved you were right. But by proving your point, you technically did something illegal/indecent/wrong (trespassing private property). I don’t know the answer, but it seems like this is not the way…
I think it’s always best to be honest, but I know the system makes it not really efficient to go about it the honest/right way. It’s really up to the individual. I don’t have an issue with these cases as Zorloth suggested. let’s just be a little flexible. my example is trying to illustrate that there is a point which zorloth’s tactic might not work or crosses the line for most people, including the law.
With these particular scams you do not receive an item, therefor item not received is the best claim to make. Nothing fraudulent wrong or illegal about that.
But my suggestion doesn’t involve lying. Saying the item wasn’t received is factually correct. Saying the item wasn’t as described, which was ozenigma’s suggestion, actually does involve lying. I think both my and ozenigma’s suggestions are totally fine, though. Ultimately, what matters is that the just outcome is reached. And the just outcome is the OP getting his money back.
Oh, I see why @ozenigma thinks that my solution involves lying. He stated:
“Really lame to recommend to anyone opening a case based on lack of signature even if you receive the item in the middle of a pandemic where countless items aren’t being signed for because of postal restrictions.”
Here’s the thing, though, @ozenigma: you’re not opening a case based on lack of signature. You’re opening a case based on the fact that the item wasn’t received. It’s called an ‘item not received’ case. The tracking shows it was delivered, but it wasn’t. This is a textbook INR case. It’s actually the correct case to open in this circumstance.
Because the OP hasn’t claimed it was a tracking scam? The OP hasn’t mentioned anything about it being shipped.
When/if it does get shipped, then the OP can act.
I disagree that the idea that only the outcome matters.
I have to think you actually haven’t read through the chain of events here, because otherwise you wouldn’t be so furiously defending your stance when OP doesn’t even have a tracking number.
@ozenigma, it was suspected that it’s a tracking number scam. That’s what the vast majority of these sorts of scams are. The buyer opens an INR complaint, and the seller will provide a bogus tracking number.
I’m not sure what other sort of scam it would be. 99% of the time for these super underpriced items from 0 feedback sellers, it’s the tracking number scam. It’s the easiest one to pull off and actually works sometimes since unfortunately not everyone knows how to combat it.
Yup, and T&T removed it from their buylist entirely. Pretty uncommon occurence. In fact, they’re buying boxes of quite literally every single set from WotC through XY except for Evolutions. It’s not on DACW’s buylist either, and they buy everything but the kitchen sink (and it wouldn’t surprise me if they bought kitchen sinks, too!).