Evolutions box is ~120 while its PSA 10 Charizard is $1500?

[jcincy101]

My only real question is…Tim.Wins…bro…how much evolutions do you own?

[ToadsTreasures]

@jcincy101

My only reason question is…Tim.Wins…bro…how much evolutions do you own?

Enough to buy one of those $30k Bulbasaurs!

[gildri]

Newbie question…have they ever reprinted a set for just collectors, aka a set out of rotation?

I saw roaring skies was mentioned. Wasn’t that reprinted for competitive reasons? I’m only aware of reprints to keep the price of the competitive game down. With current boxes at +200 a lot of people can’t even afford to play the game. I would assume they are prioritizing those sets that are still in rotation and trying to get the price down.

Disclosure: I bought evolutions sub $100…to the moon!

[squirtle1000]

@gildri

Newbie question…have they ever reprinted a set for just collectors, aka a set out of rotation?

I saw roaring skies was mentioned. Wasn’t that reprinted for competitive reasons? I’m only aware of reprints to keep the price of the competitive game down. With current boxes at +200 a lot of people can’t even afford to play the game. I would assume they are prioritizing those sets that are still in rotation and trying to get the price down.

Disclosure: I bought evolutions sub $100…to the moon!

The notorious Roaring Skies reprint happened in early 2017, when the set was still in rotation. I believe it rotated out after Worlds that year. To my knowledge there has never been a reprint of a set after the set was already rotated out.

[iisanaggie]

@ToadsTreasures

1. Wow the Charizard and Blastoise Evo ETBS are now around $190s. Wild
2. Raw XY Evolutions Charizard 11/108 hovering around $140-150s
3. 3 XY Evolutions Prerelease Charizard PSA 9’s sold for $1200 with best offers accepted and one BIN of $1700 USD in Australia on Feb 4
4. 1 XY Evolutions Prerelease Charizard PSA 10 sold for $9000 on Jan 30
5. Looks like booster boxes are hovering around $850-$1000, some under $600 but if you click those listings they’re pretty sus/from china/proxy

Wonder where the price of the ETBs settles at after six months and I wonder if the XY Evo zard cards spike throughout the next month following Pokemon day.

Guilty… I bought a couple ETBs at around 190 today. Figured after not seeing them stocked at Walmart the last few weeks that supply is drying up. Relative to other in-demand ETBs and the booster box price - they seem quite undervalued.

[pokenoob]

@zorloth

@pokenoob

The box wasreleased in Nov. 2016 so they’re going back almost 4.5 years.

When Roaring Skies was reprinted in Jan, 2017 that was only 1.5 years from the initial release date, and because there was an initial low supply the first time around.

Evolutions was printed for 4 years. Anyone that wanted a box/case/fpallet at MSRP had the chance. Even a kid could save enough for a box in 4 years.

Personally, I don’t see them going beyond the timeframe of the Roaring Skies example. Staying within that 2 year period more than makes up for the Covid production delays causing the current modern set problems. Evolutions has nothing to do with it. Neither does Deoxys. So if one gets reprinted, there’s no reason not to reprint any other set back to 2003.

If you genuinely think that there’s an equal chance that Evolutions and EX Deoxys are going to be reprinted (like a literal indistinguishable reprint), then I’m not sure what to say.

Just to reiterate: Evolutions has been out of print for 1 year. EX Deoxys has been out of print for 15 years. I think it’s a reasonable assumption that TPCi is more likely to reprint something that has been out of print for 1 year than something that has been out of print for 15 years.

Does that mean I think they’re going to reprint Evolutions? Having researched past reprints, I honestly don’t think they’re going to. But to say that Evolutions is no more likely to be reprinted than random EX Series sets is totally ridiculous. There’s more demand for Evolutions than all 16 EX Series sets combined. That alone makes it more likely that they’ll reprint it.

Maybe I got my words twisted around from my original point. I don’t think they’re as equally likely as I think they’re equally as unlikely.

@jcicny101 I actually bought a box off Rudy back with they were only ~80 shipped lol. I also bought a case when they were around $100 a box. The real question is how many boosters I’ve opened … that I couldn’t tell ya

[pokenoob]

@zorloth

@iisanaggie

Somehow - I agree with both of them. Evo is an old set that won’t likely get reprinted, but it’s also more likely than other old, out of print sets to get reprinted.

I might be going out on a limb - but I think they might both agree that the sets to most likely get a reprint are sets released in at least 2019. I think I’d compare evo to hidden fates before I compare it to ex deoxys.

That means that you agree with me and disagree with Tim.Wins .

cold. can’t even toss me a bone can ya

[ankleguy]

@pokenoob

@zorloth

That means that you agree with me and disagree with Tim.Wins .

cold. can’t even toss me a bone can ya

Haha @zorloth loves to argue. You can tell what hes studying.

[ozenigma]

I’m thoroughly enjoying people talking themselves into missing the boat with Evolutions.

Can’t wait to hear their crying soon enough

[lowpopping]

@ankleguy

@pokenoob

cold. can’t even toss me a bone can ya

Haha @zorloth loves to argue. You can tell what hes studying.

he did a PHD in pokemon studies, you can’t win against @zorloth, he will put you in your place

[pokemondanni]

Tim WINS this argument. Two specifik people in here are so biased (and angry?), that they missed the boat. Why keep talking it down? The Evolutions set is iconic and brought a lot of people to the hobby or at least back to it. And for reprint, stop yourselves. This set will not get an excact reprint. Stop being mad about missing $. Enjoy the hobby and focus on other sets that brings you happiness instead of this nonsens.

[lowpopping]

@pokemondanni

Tim WINS this argument. Two specifik people in here are so biased (and angry?), that they missed the boat. Why keep talking it down? The Evolutions set is iconic and brought a lot of people to the hobby or at least back to it. And for reprint, stop yourselves. This set will not get an excact reprint. Stop being mad about missing $. Enjoy the hobby and focus on other sets that brings you happiness instead of this nonsens.

I don’t think anyone wins the argument yet man, time is the ultimate decider, I want to come back to this thread in 6-18 months and see what the progress is:

What will happen to the card prices, given an increase in supply? (Hundreds of thousands of evolutions cards rumoured to be sent, guys I think some of you may be underestimating the severe quantity and how this can impact price)

Will this affect the box price?

Will the box price go up or down?

Will the set be reprinted?

[shadowless]

10s will always be desired with this set due to its horrendous print quality - my forecast is that there will be a glut of PSA 7-9s, but people crack these boxes for two things: fun and the hope for 10s - these parameters will not change and as long as there is no huge supply increase for the boxes I don´t see them significantly decreasing in price. Full disclosure, I have exactly one box of this set for my collection, so I´m not sitting on a bazillion cases of it.

[lowpopping]

@shadowless

10s will always be desired with this set due to its horrendous print quality - my forecast is that there will be a glut of PSA 7-9s, but people crack these boxes for two things: fun and the hope for 10s - these parameters will not change and as long as there is no huge supply increase for the boxes I don´t see them significantly decreasing in price. Full disclosure, I have exactly one box of this set for my collection, so I´m not sitting on a bazillion cases of it.

Your Evolutions 10 Zard has increased from 154 to 197 in the last 3 months. In my opinion we could expect this number to be 1000+ within the next 24 months and not that rare any more

[shadowless]

@lowpopping

@shadowless

10s will always be desired with this set due to its horrendous print quality - my forecast is that there will be a glut of PSA 7-9s, but people crack these boxes for two things: fun and the hope for 10s - these parameters will not change and as long as there is no huge supply increase for the boxes I don´t see them significantly decreasing in price. Full disclosure, I have exactly one box of this set for my collection, so I´m not sitting on a bazillion cases of it.

Your Evolutions 10 Zard has increased from 154 to 197 in the last 3 months. In my opinion we could expect this number to be 1000+ within the next 24 months and not that rare any more

That could very well be, but a higher pop doesn´t automatically equal lower prices, as can be seen with price increases in the regular base holo as well. You also have to recognize that while these 43 PSA 10s have been graded, over 2000 9s and 1000 8s have been added to the pop. The demand for these cards - as well as the availability of course - is outrageous, it shouldn´t be underestimated.
There is also holos in there that are still pop 0 (Chansey…) or very low pop (<20) in general.

[lowpopping]

@shadowless

@lowpopping

Your Evolutions 10 Zard has increased from 154 to 197 in the last 3 months. In my opinion we could expect this number to be 1000+ within the next 24 months and not that rare any more

That could very well be, but a higher pop doesn´t automatically equal lower prices, as can be seen with price increases in the regular base holo as well. You also have to recognize that while these 43 PSA 10s have been graded, over 2000 9s and 1000 8s have been added to the pop. The demand for these cards - as well as the availability of course - is outrageous, it shouldn´t be underestimated.
There is also holos in there that are still pop 0 (Chansey…) or very low pop (<20) in general.

In 18 months all those low pop cards won’t be low any more, there are just so few total submissions for them so far!

[shadowless]

@lowpopping

@shadowless

That could very well be, but a higher pop doesn´t automatically equal lower prices, as can be seen with price increases in the regular base holo as well. You also have to recognize that while these 43 PSA 10s have been graded, over 2000 9s and 1000 8s have been added to the pop. The demand for these cards - as well as the availability of course - is outrageous, it shouldn´t be underestimated.
There is also holos in there that are still pop 0 (Chansey…) or very low pop (<20) in general.

In 18 months all those low pop cards won’t be low any more, there are just so few total submissions for them so far!

Sure, the pop can and most likely will increase on all of them but that doesn´t mean that these cards will automatically be worth less/nothing.

[pokemondanni]

Yes, time will tell. This set may decrease and it may increase further. But im confident, that it wont drop to the $100 - 200 range even IF this is a bubble. I wont even consider the “reprint scenario” cause it wont happen.

[lowpopping]

@shadowless

@lowpopping

In 18 months all those low pop cards won’t be low any more, there are just so few total submissions for them so far!

Sure, the pop can and most likely will increase on all of them but that doesn´t mean that these cards will automatically be worth less/nothing.

You are right in practise, it depends of course what people do with them, do they all put them up on the market, do they keep them off the market. I’m not saying they will be worth nothing.

A 10-fold increase in supply would decrease the price of any card in my opinion, theoretically it’s supply and demand

[lowpopping]

@pokemondanni

Yes, time will tell. This set may decrease and it may increase further. But im confident, that it wont drop to the $100 - 200 range even IF this is a bubble. I wont even consider the “reprint scenario” cause it wont happen.

I agree, unless it gets reprinted, however unlikely people seem to think that is