8 exs pulled in a FRLG opening?? I’m not doubting you, but can you link me a video please? The highest amount of exs I’ve ever seen pulled out of a box is 4 of the ultra rare exs and 1 secret rare bird (5 total). And most boxes have 3 ultra rare exs + 1 bird. From what I can tell, the ex pull rate was identical for TMTA, Hidden Legends, and FRLG, with FRLG also having the additional 1 secret rare bird ex per box.
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This is my understanding as well. There is potential for error boxes tho which may be what Pokémon Argentina saw. The first 3 ex sets have 6 ex pulls per box. The rest are generally 3 per box for the most part?
This one is price related which makes it transient. But it’s still interesting to look at.
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First three sets are closer to 7-8 per box, and I’ve seen anywhere from 6-10. And I’m not sure if the pull rates were exactly the same for the rest of the era, but they are pretty similar. It’s almost always 3/4 per box, usually 3. FRLG was the same just with the additional bird. So there are slightly fewer of each bird than there are for the other exs, since there is an average of 1 bird every three boxes and an average of 1.125 of each ultra rare ex per three boxes (since there are 8 total). IIRC, PokeRev pulled 3 ultra rare exs and 1 bird in his box. So I think Pokemon Argentina is confusing it with a different set opening, unless there was a FRLG box opening that I somehow missed that randomly had twice as many exs as usual.
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I don’t know if anyone is still interested in these? I’m happy to share them since im doing them anyway, and am trying to keep them to a single thread. But I don’t want to bore anyone.
I am about to do some interesting pop comparisons broken down by sets and their grades. But I don’t know if it is the kind of analysis anyone else cares about?
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Rainbow - I personally find it very interesting if that helps
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Interestingly enough is Unlimited Base set Zard clearly the hardest to grade in a 10.
Could say the same about Shadowless Venusaur. Considering these two cards are also in the top of graded examples of their set(Shadowless/unl.)
Alright, I will continue to post some interesting charts as I can. 
What you see in this chart, with those two is: Charizard PSA 10 (unlimited) is either one of two things -
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cheaper than one may expect, relative to its PSA 8 & 9’s (when compared to other holos in the set) or
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the PSA 8’s, and PSA 9’s are slightly more bloated in price (when compared to other holos in the set). The interpretation could ultimately be debated. But you can see the PSA 10 relative to the 8 and 9 proportions is smaller.
My personal thought (seeing as charizard PSA 10 (unlimited) is more expensive than the other PSA 10’s in the set), is the PSA 8’s and 9’s are slightly bloated as people aren’t good at calculating relative values by observation.
Shadowless venusaur is the same, its 10 might be undervalued or it’s 8,9’s might be over - that’s for you to decide.
I will share some new and interesting charts soon.
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charizard is like tiger woods in golf. just bring him in and you’ll get a huge attendance/rating.
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Here’s an overview of the Base set holo populations across the sets in 8,9,10.
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Here’s a chart showing how many times more PSA 9’s there are than 10’s for the base set.
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I hope everyone has been doing ok.
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Thanks. Has it showed any signs of slowing? Wonder what 2018, 2019 and YTD trends look like for the e-series
EDIT… although 2020 is kind of skewed past march so maybe the only relevant YTD would be jan and feb
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Signs of slowing at this point aren’t really a good indication because the market had slowed overall. But I would be cautious to bet against the idea that once PSA gets through their backlog that there will again be a surge in their population. These cards and the EX series cards were cheap and plentiful and many of us have a lot of them raw in binders.
If the prices stay, I know I will certainly be happy. But I honestly don’t think we’ve seen anywhere near all of the cards that will eventually be graded from these sets.
You can see there was a distinct lack of appeal to grade them by just looking at their numbers from both back then and now. Charizard had the largest PSA 9 by far - a whopping 69 cards.
The low pop numbers weren’t due to rarity then, nor is it now, in my view.
This is the data for the 9 and 10’s from back then (2 years, 8 months, 1 day).
PSA 10 PSA 9
Alakazam Holo 9 15
Ampharos Holo 5 19
Arbok Holo 13 12
Blastoise Holo 12 26
Butterfree Holo 4 20
Charizard Holo 11 69
Clefable Holo 6 21
Cloyster Holo 7 21
Dragonite Holo 10 24
Dugtrio Holo 3 14
Fearow Holo 7 14
Feraligatr Holo 8 14
Gengar Holo 14 22
Golem Holo 14 20
Kingler Holo 5 20
Machamp Holo 7 20
Magby Holo 6 15
Meganium Holo 6 15
Mew Holo 10 25
Mewtwo Holo 14 32
Ninetales Holo 11 18
Pichu Holo 9 24
Pidgeot Holo 10 21
Poliwrath Holo 3 18
Raichu Holo 12 29
Rapidash Holo 8 27
Skarmory Holo 2 17
Typhlosion Holo 7 18
Tyranitar Holo 15 28
Venusaur Holo 17 17
Vileplume Holo 9 18
Weezing Holo 6 14
Note: I had to update the image due a typo made whilst copying data into excel.
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Rarity is a huge factor driving the low pops. Not just incentive to grade. End of the day, e-series or ex for that matter will never reach neo pops and neo pops will never reach jungle and jungle will never reach base. This is regardless of demand and prices but to do with the print runs and pull rates. In saying that, I agree with you that we will see a big spike for these sets in pop in the short term (9-12 months).
Do you have data about “roughly” how much difference in print runs are between those sets?
For example, They printed x more boxes in neo gen vs neo destiny or neo revelation with x set?
It really isn’t, which is the reason they have been so cheap. No-one cared about grading them. The people re-entering the hobby are sudenly surprised by the low pops and have been completely unaware of the context for why - and then assuming they were rare. They became keen and that is driving more supply to enter the market. The current pops don’t represent the real supply. You are seeing the early steps of a set becoming desirable. Regardless of how many boxes are available.
These were printed less but still printed and opened at mass. Check the pops in 10 years and you will get a closer and more realistic picture for where it truly stands, and even then I wouldn’t be surprised to still see it moving up, albeit at a slower rate.
At the end of the day I don’t mind what anyone thinks, I am trying to provide an objective view of the data.
Will demand increase over time to absorb any new supply as it enters the market over the next 10 years? it’s very likely, yes.
But it seems very likely that we will see a lot more supply before pops settle into reliably showing an overview of how many near-mint and up cards are out there. Right now their reports don’t espouse rarity, but instead show the number of currently graded cards and the ratios at which they seem to be graded at, which is very useful in and of itself.
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