Charizard 1st Edition - base set - PSA 9

[acebren]

@EnlightenedBulbasaur

@KingPokemon

Thick stamps should sell for double. Thicks with 44xx should sell for triple. Thicks with 44xx and a blue dot should sell for quadruple. Thicks with 44xx, a blue dot, and a 1st Ed smeared stamp on back should hit 10 times. Don’t you think?

But seriously, I do put thick stamps and thin stamps in a different category than the other stuff. It’s a tangible thing that puts all 1st ed Base holos into 1 of 2 distinct categories.

And before anyone says “it’s just a stamp, who cares?” Well, tell that to Shadowless cards.

You’re forgetting the superior grey stamp variation

[madden12ut]

@EnlightenedBulbasaur

@KingPokemon

Thick stamps should sell for double. Thicks with 44xx should sell for triple. Thicks with 44xx and a blue dot should sell for quadruple. Thicks with 44xx, a blue dot, and a 1st Ed smeared stamp on back should hit 10 times. Don’t you think?

But seriously, I do put thick stamps and thin stamps in a different category than the other stuff. It’s a tangible thing that puts all 1st ed Base holos into 1 of 2 distinct categories.

And before anyone says “it’s just a stamp, who cares?” Well, tell that to Shadowless cards.

TBH Shadowless is underrated af. The color differences/lack of a shadow is really what makes that base set variant look amazing. The first edition stamp is just that, a stamp lol (I have a bunch of 1st ed holos too just for variety pls don’t come for me head)

[firebirder31]

@madden12ut

@EnlightenedBulbasaur

But seriously, I do put thick stamps and thin stamps in a different category than the other stuff. It’s a tangible thing that puts all 1st ed Base holos into 1 of 2 distinct categories.

And before anyone says “it’s just a stamp, who cares?” Well, tell that to Shadowless cards.

TBH Shadowless is underrated af. The color differences/lack of a shadow is really what makes that base set variant look amazing. The first edition stamp is just that, a stamp lol (I have a bunch of 1st ed holos too just for variety pls don’t come for me head)

Agreed, shadowless definitely underrated and undervalued at the moment. Definitely a cooler look than unlimited versions and does anybody know its true rarity in comparison to 1st edition cards??

[algo]

@acebren

@EnlightenedBulbasaur

But seriously, I do put thick stamps and thin stamps in a different category than the other stuff. It’s a tangible thing that puts all 1st ed Base holos into 1 of 2 distinct categories.

And before anyone says “it’s just a stamp, who cares?” Well, tell that to Shadowless cards.

You’re forgetting the superior grey stamp variation

I wouldn’t buy one of those, they look like remains of fake stamps

[acebren]

@algo

@acebren

You’re forgetting the superior grey stamp variation

I wouldn’t buy one of those, they look like remains of fake stamps

They definitely aren’t remains of fake stamps lol

[madden12ut]

@firebirder31

@madden12ut

TBH Shadowless is underrated af. The color differences/lack of a shadow is really what makes that base set variant look amazing. The first edition stamp is just that, a stamp lol (I have a bunch of 1st ed holos too just for variety pls don’t come for me head)

Agreed, shadowless definitely underrated and undervalued at the moment. Definitely a cooler look than unlimited versions and does anybody know its true rarity in comparison to 1st edition cards??

I like to use charizard as a baseline since it’s the most graded

base 1st : 2,345 zards with 120 psa 10s
shadowless : 2,555 zards with 53 psa 10s

pretty similar numbers, but I guess the shadowless is harder to grade?

[algo]

@acebren

@algo

I wouldn’t buy one of those, they look like remains of fake stamps

They definitely aren’t remains of fake stamps lol

Maybe not but they look shady. Although if I owned one I’d list is as ‘rare ghost stamp variant’ and hope a pokemon collecting medium buys it

[acebren]

@algo

@acebren

They definitely aren’t remains of fake stamps lol

Maybe not but they look shady. Although if I owned one I’d list is as ‘rare ghost stamp variant’ and hope a pokemon collecting medium buys it

Theres videos on youtube of them being pulled from sealed boxes. Nothing shady about them. Ghost stamps are completely different - they are unique to the Pikachus found in Zap theme decks.

[EnlightenedBulbasaur]

@firebirder31

@madden12ut

TBH Shadowless is underrated af. The color differences/lack of a shadow is really what makes that base set variant look amazing. The first edition stamp is just that, a stamp lol (I have a bunch of 1st ed holos too just for variety pls don’t come for me head)

Agreed, shadowless definitely underrated and undervalued at the moment. Definitely a cooler look than unlimited versions and does anybody know its true rarity in comparison to 1st edition cards??

People have been saying this about Shadowless for years. The thing is, Shadowless cards do sell for good amount, far higher than Unlimited. But at the end of the day they’re never going to sell for close to what 1st editions sell for, there’s simply too much allure that goes with being labeled as 1st edition. You don’t even need to know anything about Pokemon to understand the inherent appeal of cards from the original set that were given the label of “1st edition.” So I can’t really agree that Shadowless cards are “undervalued” compared to 1st editions even if they were both part of the very first print run.

I agree Shadowless cards are awesome though, they look much better than Unlimited IMO and you get cards that came from the very first print run. It’s a nice compromise of something that is a lot more special than Unlimited but still affordable compared to 1st edition.

I don’t know the true population of Shadowless cards compared to 1st editions but I do know that the PSA population report is likely to be misleading in this regard.

Anecdotally, I owned a whole bunch of Shadowless cards as a kid (even more than I did Unlimited Base) but I never owned a single 1st edition card as a child. From what I’ve heard, this may be at least in part about where I lived (which was New York City for me).

[surfnsnow]

@madden12ut

@firebirder31

Agreed, shadowless definitely underrated and undervalued at the moment. Definitely a cooler look than unlimited versions and does anybody know its true rarity in comparison to 1st edition cards??

I like to use charizard as a baseline since it’s the most graded

base 1st : 2,345 zards with 120 psa 10s
shadowless : 2,555 zards with 53 psa 10s

pretty similar numbers, but I guess the shadowless is harder to grade?

Shadowless cards were graded as Unlimited before PSA recognized the Shadowless variant. They are hidden in the Unlimited pop report. There are likely more than 53 PSA 10 Charizards, for example, but nobody knows how many.

[algo]

@acebren

@algo

Maybe not but they look shady. Although if I owned one I’d list is as ‘rare ghost stamp variant’ and hope a pokemon collecting medium buys it

Theres videos on youtube of them being pulled from sealed boxes. Nothing shady about them. Ghost stamps are completely different - they are unique to the Pikachus found in Zap theme decks.

I just don’t like em, running out of ink on a production line makes the card unique but not something I’d want to own

[surfnsnow]

@EnlightenedBulbasaur

@firebirder31

Agreed, shadowless definitely underrated and undervalued at the moment. Definitely a cooler look than unlimited versions and does anybody know its true rarity in comparison to 1st edition cards??

People have been saying this about Shadowless for years. The thing is, Shadowless cards do sell for good amount, far higher than Unlimited. But at the end of the day they’re never going to sell for close to what 1st editions sell for, there’s simply too much allure that goes with being labeled as 1st edition. You don’t even need to know anything about Pokemon to understand the inherent appeal of cards from the original set that were given the label of “1st edition.” So I can’t really agree that Shadowless cards are “undervalued” compared to 1st editions even if they were both part of the very first print run.

I agree Shadowless cards are awesome though, they look much better than Unlimited IMO and you get cards that came from the very first print run. It’s a nice compromise of something that is a lot more special than Unlimited but still affordable compared to 1st edition.

I don’t know the true population of Shadowless cards compared to 1st editions but I do know that the PSA population report is likely to be misleading in this regard.

Anecdotally, I owned a whole bunch of Shadowless cards as a kid (even more than I did Unlimited Base) but I never owned a single 1st edition card as a child. From what I’ve heard, this may be at least in part about where I lived (which was New York City for me).

I like the way Scott puts it, to paraphrase: “Shadowless is right where it should be”. I also think they are awesome, but to think they will catch up with 1st edition is, in my opinion, a fallacy. Everyone knows what first edition means. Coming from a background of collecting records, it’s akin to an “original pressing”.

[acebren]

@algo

@acebren

Theres videos on youtube of them being pulled from sealed boxes. Nothing shady about them. Ghost stamps are completely different - they are unique to the Pikachus found in Zap theme decks.

I just don’t like em, running out of ink on a production line makes the card unique but not something I’d want to own

That’s completely fine that you don’t like them, just making sure I dispelled any misconceptions that they’re not legitimate

[madden12ut]

@enlightenedbulbasaur I agree with you that they’re not undervalued, but I think they’re underrated in the sense that some people view base 1st as must have and gloss over shadowless when it’s just a tad less appealing(while being much more appealing than unlimited)

@surfnsnow thank you PSA

[null_user]

@surfnsnow

@madden12ut

I like to use charizard as a baseline since it’s the most graded

base 1st : 2,345 zards with 120 psa 10s
shadowless : 2,555 zards with 53 psa 10s

pretty similar numbers, but I guess the shadowless is harder to grade?

Shadowless cards were graded as Unlimited before PSA recognized the Shadowless variant. They are hidden in the Unlimited pop report. There are likely more than 53 PSA 10 Charizards, for example, but nobody knows how many.

I think most would have been reslabbed.

[KingPokemon]

@EnlightenedBulbasaur

@KingPokemon

Thick stamps should sell for double. Thicks with 44xx should sell for triple. Thicks with 44xx and a blue dot should sell for quadruple. Thicks with 44xx, a blue dot, and a 1st Ed smeared stamp on back should hit 10 times. Don’t you think?

But seriously, I do put thick stamps and thin stamps in a different category than the other stuff. It’s a tangible thing that puts all 1st ed Base holos into 1 of 2 distinct categories.

And before anyone says “it’s just a stamp, who cares?” Well, tell that to Shadowless cards.

I don’t want to hijack this thread so I’ll make a new one showing I was paying attention to thick thin years before anybody even noticed. I put a very interesting decade old inventory sheet there.

[kpod]

@soup

@surfnsnow

Shadowless cards were graded as Unlimited before PSA recognized the Shadowless variant. They are hidden in the Unlimited pop report. There are likely more than 53 PSA 10 Charizards, for example, but nobody knows how many.

I doubt most weren’t reslabbed.

Little incentive to do that just to fix the label. When it comes time to sell just list it as a shadowless card and it will have no problem selling. It’s not like you can’t see what card is actually in the slab.

[EnlightenedBulbasaur]

@KingPokemon

@EnlightenedBulbasaur

But seriously, I do put thick stamps and thin stamps in a different category than the other stuff. It’s a tangible thing that puts all 1st ed Base holos into 1 of 2 distinct categories.

And before anyone says “it’s just a stamp, who cares?” Well, tell that to Shadowless cards.

I don’t want to hijack this thread so I’ll make a new one showing I was paying attention to thick thin years before anybody even noticed. I put a very interesting decade old inventory sheet there.

Oh, I’m VERY well aware of that. I remember you being the only person on eBay who was even bothering to mention thick and thin stamps on eBay when I first started getting into it all the way back in 2009.

[EnlightenedBulbasaur]

@kpod

@soup

I doubt most weren’t reslabbed.

Little incentive to do that just to fix the label. When it comes time to sell just list it as a shadowless card and it will have no problem selling. It’s not like you can’t see what card is actually in the slab.

Ehhh, yes and no. My best guess from what I’ve seen is that a Shadowless Charizard in an Unlimited slab would sell for much closer to the price of a typical Shadowless card, but it would probably be at least a little bit discounted.

I remember a recently a PSA 10 1st edition holo Aerodactyl was mislabeled as being a non-holo and it sold for probably only about 65% of what the card would typically sell for had it not been mislabeled.

[kpod]

@EnlightenedBulbasaur

@kpod

Little incentive to do that just to fix the label. When it comes time to sell just list it as a shadowless card and it will have no problem selling. It’s not like you can’t see what card is actually in the slab.

Ehhh, yes and no. My best guess from what I’ve seen is that a Shadowless Charizard in an Unlimited slab would sell for much closer to the price of a typical Shadowless card, but it would probably be at least a little bit discounted.

I remember a recently a PSA 10 1st edition holo Aerodactyl was mislabeled as being a non-holo and it sold for probably only about 65% of what the card would typically sell for had it not been mislabeled.

Interesting. I would never let an incorrectly labeled card prevent me from getting a deal on a card I really wanted.