Do Black Labels have print lines for Japanese cards lol
Print lines should absolutely not be overlooked for grading purposes but itās simply Japanese, PSA 10 these days.
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The amount of actually rare and exclusive cards you could get for the price of this one card is astonishingā¦
Ugh, this reinforces my belief that (some) Black Label buyers are clout-chasing. Who would spend $3,200 on a modern card that is available in gem mint condition for under $20? This isnāt āpinnacleā condition (I would argue that hundreds if not thousands exist in this exact condition), it was just lucky enough to get the Black Label grade.
It is OK for people to spend their money as they see fit, but my god I can think of so many better ways to spend $3,200.
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Iām going to be an optimist and assume this person also already has every other grail card and is running out of expensive things to collect
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I might be misunderstanding the general sentiment of this thread, but how is this any different than the price discrepancy from a PSA 9 to a PSA 10 āpremium?ā
Iām pretty sure there was a thread on the old E4 years ago where people were complaining that the difference in pricing between a PSA 9 and PSA 10 were so extreme that they would rather spend the money on comparably valued raw trophy cards than the 10s. And because the difference between a 9 and 10 is often times just a minute centering issues or the finest of whitening, PSA 10 collectors were considered clout chasers as opposed to ātrueā collectors.
Black labels are just another tier above āPSA 10 premiums.ā The exact disparity in price will probably be difficult to determine because the pop of black labels will (theoretically) be always lower than the PSA 10 counterparts, which can already be difficult to determine for low pop cards.
Hope this helps,
cpbog1
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I think the main point here is that the condition differences between PSA 9 and PSA 10 are fairly noticeable to a seasoned collector. The differences between a PSA 10 and BGS Black Label are difficult or impossible to discern for most.
So while there is a huge premium for PSA 9 to PSA 10, some argue that it is warranted given the noticeable difference in condition. The conditional difference between PSA 10 and BGS Black Label is just not always noticeable, especially on modern cards.
I donāt think Black Labels should be removed. āPerfectā grades are always going to be desirable. I just wish that they were reasonably priced for what they actually are.
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The price premium in psa 9 to 10 is more rational. There is usually a ratio value dependent on difficulty to grade, and/or rarity. Black labels have no gravity right now, they are all over the place.
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I primarily buy PSA 9 over PSA 10 because I think the logic still applies 
The one major difference is I can predict a PSA 9 vs PSA 10 in advance, with some decent accuracy. Predicting anything from between a bgs 9.5 to a black label is pure guesswork. As the discernible difference shrinks, the price premium grows which is the most irrational part of all of this for me
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Agreed:
@Dyl - The tolerances for receiving a PSA 10 is indisputably larger than the tolerances for the black label but the differences are borderline negligible for a āstrong 10.ā Given that āperfectionā would hold a higher value, Iām curious to see if the community will eventually agree to some ratio relative to the PSA 10 valuation.
Since there was a local submission for BGS grading a couple months ago, I decided to give it a try and send in some cardsā¦ After straining my eyes for about an hour and a half the night before the submission, I settled on about 25 cards that would be PSA 10 equivalent - I ended up receiving multiple BGS 10s and a couple black labels - all of this to say that after reviewing the conditions of the cards again in the graded slabs, the differences seemed so minute and subgrades inconsistent that it felt very arbitrary by the grader(s) of the cards. (And completely unrelated, I need to say the QC of BGS was absolute garbage for this submission - seeing dust particles between the sleeve and the slab of two of my black labels is absolutely triggering - it really felt like they slabbed the cards in a dusty garage)
@smpratte - I did not jump on the PSA grading train until around 2015 - would you say that in the early days of PSA grading, was there also a wide range of pricing for PSA 10s, or has it there always been a more consistent ratio between the 9s and 10s?
@pfm - I suppose thereās something to be said about humans historically wanting to chase perfection and purity in an imperfect world 
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For cards that carried prices for each grade, yes.
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Submitting modern to BGS = free tendies baby lets goooo hahahaā¦ i think i need to go touch some grass
Looks like grading companies donāt dock down cards for printlines, at least for non obvious ones.
Iāve seen a sm era black label espeon gx with a printline before.
Regarding the dust/lint part, I would say its common between all the major companies. Just that BGS has it the worst in this area as the slab has an additional sleeve in it - higher chance for dust particles to get stuck inside/on the sleeve.
I would say its inevitable to get some sort of dust/lint/particles in the slabs. Majority of my PSA slabs have them.
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Japanese black label madness will end. What Iām watching is the centering on cgc perfects. Anyone spotted anything bad?
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15 posts were split to a new topic: BGS new grading system?
So in the past 48 days, 19 additional Umbreon VMAX Black Labels were graded. Thatās an increase of 38% to the pop report. I think we all saw this coming from a mile away.
Most recent sale was for $7,300, which is a 39% decrease in price over 7 weeks. Supply and demand. 
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Canāt wait till it reaches the price of a McDouble from Mcdonalds 
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I donāt see it staying as high as that tbh I think thats reaching for the moon (breon) 
McDoubles aint cheap anymoreā¦ Mickey Ds got me messed up
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HEAVY BAGS ALERT 