Are artist autographs worth collecting?

I think over time the Pokemon TCG evolves in many fans’ eyes from a cool, weird card game with flashy art and big attack numbers, HP, etc., to something more nostalgic and artistic in nature. This is a generalization, but as the COVID boom died down we saw a transition of more finance-based collectors exit the hobby, and what was left was a smaller group of passionate individuals who value the actual artwork on the card more than the pull rate, playability, or species of the Pokemon in question growing steadily in numbers.

OP is going about explaining their point in a not-so-tender or eloquent way, but I do think their comments have some merit. For the huge majority of Pokemon fans, the artwork is more or less completely irrelevant to their enjoyment of the game. This may be because a majority of fans are still in grade school, a large number of players don’t think about the card art at all, and another group of people are simply in this hobby for monetary gains. All of these subgroups of collectors, hobbyists, and players are valid in their reasons for enjoying the Pokemon TCG. It’s easy to say artist signings are the pinnacle of rarity, artistry, community and collecting for people in their 20s and 30s who have disposable income, can travel across the country with less than two months notice, and can afford to keep these cards in their collection or their bookshelf for the rest of their lives. But, for someone not in that position, I can see how a defeatist mentality creeps in, they dismiss the possibility of ever being able to attain an artist autograph, and reframe their mindset to accommodate collection goals or dreams that might actually be possible in the future. I don’t think this was the OP’s point at all, but I’m taking a little detour and expanding.

@lookaclara sums it up perfectly when she says the autos you get personalized and drawn on right in front of you completely change the idea of an autograph or sketch in that single moment. Did I have an interest in signatures before attending my first artist signing? Sure, a little bit I guess. But once I got into the room with one of the literal visual architects of so many distinct illustrations from my childhood it was legitimately an emotional experience. I’ll never forget it, and can’t wait to tell my kids about it and get the inevitable eyeroll because no one will ever truly understand that feeling until they experience something similar themselves. There’s also something to be said about meeting people with similar interests and/or obsessions as you, and making that memory together. To me personally, meeting people I had grown to love and admire online in person for the first time in Baltimore was even more irreplaceable.

@pokebuffet I do want to add just this small aside: You’ve created this thread, and titled it with a question. You’re acting on the defense because people are understandingly frustrated with the dismissiveness in the original post’s tone. Do I think you have any maliciousness behind the question and opinions you’ve shared? Absolutely not. But I do think you don’t fully grasp the value a lot of people here just on E4, one of the most outspoken and passionate collector fanbases, put into the event itself and not just the card that has some extra ink on it. While saying “collecting autographs” literally means acquiring these kids playing cards with some extra scribbles on them, in 2023, “collecting autographs” has now taken on a bigger, more meaningful definition to a large subsection of this community. It might be weird, but it is very real.

As a whole, I think there’s been a huge shift in the attitude and focus that many people who grew up with Pokemon have about their collecting. The number of collectors who purely focus on One Artist, One Pokemon Species, One Artistic Theme, is growing exponentially. I think this is inherently good and beneficial for the community and good for the Pokemon TCG. Even 5 years ago there weren’t nearly as many immediate discussions all across social media about the artwork itself when a new set leaked. I think that’s a shift that has been long overdue. One of my absolute favorite members of this community is @koala because they put so much passion, value and merit into the artwork itself, and have made the artistry of Pokemon Cards that much more apparent and valuable to me in my own life. If you’ve had the privilege of meeting or talking to an artist firsthand you can, for the most part, see their passion and love for Pokemon in so many ways. I don’t think I’ll ever be able to hunt autographs of all of my favorite artists because it just isn’t feasible. But to dismiss autos as unneeded because they’re just black ink signatures on a children’s card game is completely missing the mark. It’s okay if you don’t share the same value in that card, but I hope one day everyone with this sort of mentality can begin to understand the impact that the artists themselves have had on so many of us since we were rugrats!

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I agree with much of everything you said.

The only thing that I would like to point out is I don’t think pokebuffet made this thread. I think PFM moved his comment to its own thread and created it for him since it was derailing the other thread that his comment was originally posted in.

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Ah, gotcha

  • I did not start this thread. My original post was a reply to another thread, which was separated from it by moderator.
  • I did not “act on defense”. Merely expressing my opinions. You see it as “defensive” but it’s just you as you don’t see it as opinions sharing on a public platform, you see it as a debate you want to win. And you wanted to win me over too but that’s not possible as I’m entitled to my views too.

:arrow_up: This

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An explanation of reasoning behind why people value autographs isn’t debating, but I now see a discussion in and of itself is pointless. There is no winning and losing because this isn’t a game :laughing: I understand now that you didn’t create the thread so that’s my mistake - All the best,

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  • Glad you understood well that when I’m explaining or supporting my points, I’m not being defensive.
  • Yes it’s sharing of opinions. Not a debate, not a game. There is no winner or loser. No need to convince me to agree with you or anybody, as I’m entitled to my views like everyone else.
  • See you around! Happy to talk to someone who is right-minded and understanding. :slightly_smiling_face:
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Given the choice between deleting the derailing comments or letting the conversation continue in its own thread, I chose the latter. A thread requires a title so I gave it an accurate one. As the OP you also have the ability to change the title. Don’t blame me for your opinion :man_shrugging:. If you don’t stand by the sentiment then why post it in the first place?

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Sorry I’m not blaming you. I’m just saying this thread wasn’t started by me to invite, solicit or what they like to call these days… “bait” for comments.

I usually don’t like to start threads as I’m more contented with just replying.

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Yall ever just?

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Ever just what?

Nevermind

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Oooof! That hurts, but also, what @fourthstartcg said.
:laughing: No hard feelings. Each to their own.
You came out with a strong rhetorical statement, BUT since you asked, I’ll answer simply.
We appreciate the artist for some reason, enough to have an interest in collecting their subset of the Pokemon hobby. Much in the same way you would collect singer’s autographs. Why do you collect singer autographs?

Here are deeper responses and avenues. Of course, :smirk: I put my thread at the top:

…and many more.

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i find the entire notion behind this super disrespectful towards the artists. like you really can’t fathom why someone might like a piece of visual art enough that they want to get a print of it signed? all of the effort and passion that’s been poured into the integral visual aspect of pokemon for 25+ years is so worthless in your eyes that an artist autograph is incomprehensible? if they’re not your cup of tea to collect, that’s fine- but reading that you “don’t get why” and “we’re not fans of the artists” feels supremely gross. i question why you collect the cards or anything pokemon at all, because ending with “well i’d want an autograph from my favorite singers” really drives home how little you think of the talent behind the franchise.

i know writing this is a fool’s errand as the reply will be something along the lines of “it’s just my opinion why are you so defensive i’m not here to argue”, but this post has irked me that much over the past couple days. i don’t care if this post was bait or not anymore

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Then how do I rephrase this thread’s topic weakly?

People keep on saying my views are strong and baiting, I would like to try to be weak and inconspicuous for a change.

Actually I find it really disrespectful that you fans are harassing the artists for signatures. The artists already expressed they do not want to sign. Can’t you respect their wishes?

It’s just basic respect for the artists that I can’t help but to point out. I don’t care if other people accuse me of being defensive anymore.

Somethings just have to say it out directly. Ahem! :expressionless_face:

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This is admirable. Always something good to hear. :smile: Sorry if this is a long response.

First off, the internet changes things. Social media has trained us to expect people to be confrontational jackasses. Only assume that on Twitter. :smirk: I kid… maybe? :melting_face:
OK, RigHT! Sorry.

The biggest thing I think, is this. You should try to be less presumptive. Assume you have missed something. First, you ARE entitled to your opinions, but when you say things like this,

You’re making a statement about what others think, and come off as combative. By making a general statement about others’ beliefs and personal values “We’re not fans of ____,” if they don’t hold that view, they feel attacked. Saying “You fans are harassing the artists,” makes A LOT of assumptions too. Many of us would NEVER want to harass them, and approach them only at events. When performing in NYC, I had breakfast next to Neil Patrick Harris one morning. He was perfectly nice, but I respected his privacy with just a short convo, which he reciprocated, while waiting in line. He did not know me in any way. A LOT of fans DO harass celebrities and idols, and they ruin it for everyone. I’ve been harassed and assaulted by fans, so I GET it, but there’s room for nuance.

The nuance has to be discovered. So, if you want to avoid a confrontational tone, you have to Honestly ask questions.

“Why do you collect signatures anyway? Is it really worth it?”

In order to have non-combative interactions, we have to try to be specific, and not general with our statements.
OR to ask questions in general, without singling-out an individual’s personal values. (Sometimes, people don’t want positive interactions, but not most, and certainly not here.)

The interaction between you and @sanae really gets at the point I hope to highlight, but from the other side. This reply IMO, attacks you in a similar way, but I see why @sanae is upset here:

“Maybe he can’t.”

This is the same strong presumptive tone that you used, except now it’s reactive to your own tone. Both sides are firing shots. Instead, they could have asked if you understand the work, passion, or skill that goes into illustrations. Or something else…? IDK, A conversation needs to explore the ‘Why’.

I’m a former pro performer. I have known people for whom certain art forms just don’t or cannot resonate. All sorts of reasons:
People who have chronic headaches and are physically pained by sounds. (me)
People who like to get lost in feel-good stuff and don’t like provocative art.
People who have only ever listened to modern pop and can’t tell a swing beat from even 4s. (A travesty in the USA, as we INVENTED jazz and blues, and ALL our historic pop music swings! :unamused: )

But, I always approach a conversation from “maybe I’m missing something,” and ask questions.

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Personally dont collect signatures given the value can plummet if/when artist are free to sign cards on their own accord.

Though i do appreciate how nice a sketch is on the card

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good, well-measured response, thank you for taking the time to think through & type it out. i’d’ve much rather posted something that mirrors what you said here, but everything i’ve read from @pokebuffet suggests that they’re not engaging others with the intent of changing their own opinion- solely to reinforce what ideas they already have. that in mind, i really just intended to say my piece and leave the thread be. happy to have a conversation about the topic at hand (or most any topic), but i’m unfortunately not above having a combative reply to a combative post.

someone sharing their opinion & card that they clearly treasure to be met with

is particularly souring

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Who scribbled on the card? Looks horrible to me.

Looks better than your profile picture to me :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

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I feel it in the air :leaves:…. This thread is getting closed soon :saluting_face:

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I feel like its more likely that tpci won’t ever let them do that. but who knows? Arita does sign pretty regularly.

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As said before, I’m a person with strong convictions. Rarely that I change my mind/opinion about something. That said it rarely happens, but sometimes once in a blue moon it does.

:up_arrow: That I’m referring to.

Then some people will think you’re not observant enough or they will post the “point files over your head” pic.

Being subtle in this age and era is not advantageous. It pays more to be direct and straight-to-the-point.

You want to be subtle, ok fine. But don’t impose it on me or another person. You interpreted my point as “combative”, it’s ok too, there’s the Ignore function somewhere.

When I said “we”, I’m referring to like-minded people who are with me. If you’re not, it’s ok too.

Hope this clarifies.

So be it. I didn’t ask for it to be started too.

That…

was meant to imitate Ooyama’s Pikachu style of drawing:

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