1st Edition Shadowless Charizard Factory Ink Dot?

Hey guys,

So I recently got back two 1st edition Shadowless Charizards back from PSA (8.5 and 9). I was looking over the PSA 9, thinking of sending it in for review. When I first sent it in it looked PERFECT, and I mean PERFECT. So Looking over the card again to see what I could’ve missed (Which I still don’t understand the 9 grade) I noticed this little black dot on the card. Thought perhaps this is why the card got a 9? BUT, when I looked at my 8.5 it has the same exact mark? Both were bought from two different sellers, and after looking at other copies on eBay I can’t find another copy with the mark!!

Anyone know what this is? Is it factory? PSA caused, or what??
and would this bring the grade down to a 9 from a 10?

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Could you add full pictures of both cards? Then we can also determine if we think they’re worth an 8.5, 9, or 10.

Can you see with a magnifying glass if it is ink or damage to the surface?

Front is the most important, if they were in the back I guess it would have been a different story

I’ve never noticed the dot and none of mine have it. I can’t imagine they would dock much if at all for it but it’s possible I suppose!

I checked a Haunter of mine, which has a 10 grade and also has a tiny spot of black on the border, much like your zards. That shouldn’t have been the deal breaker I guess.

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I’ve seen that many times and it is very annoying. I don’t think it’s ever been on a 10 I graded.

The card is flawless, to see that spot I really need to go look for it and zoom in on the scan. Doesn’t affect the appeal on the card imo and wouldn’t be for this thread I wouldn’t even see it xD

However the OP zards are quite distinct and visible and they are in the middle of the card where the eyes are drawn too, maybe that is the reason why it affected the grade.

I’m not saying it affected the grade. There’s no way to know that for sure without talking to the grader.

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@garyis2000 Does PSA provides any sort of communication between the costumers and the grading team or someone higher in the grading team? Like a monthly question, type of thing where they would get an X amount of questions from subscribers and answer them publicly. I think that would be interesting.

That would be great. Nothing in place for that now though.

When you send it in for review explain you want an explanation for what docked the grade. They will tell you.

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The one knock about PSA is the fact that they dont give you the reason as to why a card grades how it does. Instead, they let their customers try and figure out why a card graded the way it did, a very tough thing to do after it has been slabbed

I just checked my card and it has the same dot.

Edit: Just looked at it under magnification and it looks like the same ink as the 1st edition stamp.

This isn’t true. If you ask and pay for a review, they will tell you…or they’ll change the grade.