To clarify, he was stealing content by just playing someone else’s stream. He added a few comments over the original video and called it his own.
Ahh I see, thank you for clarifying that
This is what is crazy about collecting cards. Paying someone else a premium to open up a pack for them. This is leading to an insane amount of packs opened up, resulting in chase cards having 100,000++ copies of them in the wild, and 99% of them being kept in mint condition.
People do the same thing for vintage. I think it’s just the nature of tcgs. Makes no sense and by participating in pull games you are actively hindering yourself from developing a substantial collection. But that’s not the narrative that is pushed
And people with more money than sense will continue to gorge on the latest product because it’s just that exciting to them. Long-term isn’t a consideration, it’s always immediate gratification
Exactly this. Why sell a pack for $4, when you can sell it for $5 and only send the hits?
$1 extra per pack and you keep the bulk. It’s no wonder it is getting pushed hard.
What pfm said here nails it. The latest and greatest will eventually become 1 of 200 sets that people forget about, or atleast don’t think about daily like we do now.
Again still on the catch up train… Umbreon is now 1,9k USD valued card now with over 14k PSA 10s
And me saying back in fall 2022 in a discord channel that it will eventually be a 500 dollar PSA 10 as there is too much graded…
I hope the much wiser people in this forum vs the general collector are right and in time all these ultra high PSA 10 modern set cards are going to die from the over saturation of the graded vs whats available sealed.
It just seems a few more years might need to be added given the world of instant gratification we live in, that consumes the younger generation of today.
I think its mad to think that if even 5% of the money in modern moved back to vintage it would be 2020 all over again, and im surprised theres not much movement in vintage resulting from this thought. I have 3 psa 10 ex cards with pops combined less than 100 psa 10s that might not make up the price of an umbreon vmax. Food for thought.
Otherwise to echo others I think that anything with the crazy population reports are dangerous to invest in for obvious reasons, demand based inflated prices could drop heavily with a shift in demand.
Lastly i just want to point out that i would probably not buy an umbreon vmax for 100$ in 2041 if it dropped to that price
The biggest benefit to modern is the no-low barrier to entry, which is why its so popular. The 14k moonbrean pop says it all. However, what can we learn from the past? Moonbreon is the most talked about modern card, yet its ultimately still affordable in its highest grade, and even more so if you start scaling down in condition. You can’t say the same for the top vintage set card(s). This is the real test for modern; will these cards continue to grow long term? Lets look at the chase cards from 10 years ago, did their hyperbolic growth continue? Or did they eventually plateau and the next popular card took the stage?
There is a reason popularity isn’t a fundamental. I can start naming chase cards that mean nothing to people today that were all the rage. Some cards with significantly less copies printed. What is happening right now is an extraordinary level of popularity. But like my popped collar polos in high school, not every trend re-emerges 20 years later.
Is it even possible for cards like moonbreon, pikachu sir, whatever else stonks to increase in price by enough to call it investable in say, 10-20 years? at their current price you would need all of the current collectors to keep their interest and thousands more new ones to enter the market to shake up the price.
Seems unlikely.
Whereas something lower in population, lets say sub 100 psa 10s (can be modern too), requires a much less dramatic demand shift (in terms of amount of people) to create a price shift.
Am i missing something?
This is like not even particularly insightful, but just my $0.02.
It’s easier than ever to get into pokemon. Not only that, it’s far FAR easier than ever to flip cards and make money on a per card basis. Grading feels expensive, but by comparison being able to drop $15-20 and potentially have the value of a card quadrouple or more feels a bit wild. I for one like the modern era because cards are cheap. You don’t have to shell out a couple thousand for good looking cards, a lot of cards look good.
That said, part of the reason vintage has such a premium is there may have been some prescient young adult collectors that kept their charizards protected from the elements in peak condition to maximize resale in 20 years, but most of us just played with the cards. I ran a charizard deck as a child without using sleeves. Fuck me, right? Whereas with modern, we all have the wherewithal to see cards that we know will have high resale value if pulled pretty much immediately. It seemed there was a far higher overlap in the venn diagram between players and collectors in 2000 than there is now. We all also have more and easier access to information than ever before. That’s led to some shitty outcomes, like your favorite whatnot pumper or your favorite streamer’s box breaks, but some good things too, like enabling people to rapidly acquire and exchange cards. My memory isn’t as great as I’d like it to be, but I feel like even 10 years ago, it was often a challenge to even know who to talk to, where to go, etc. to get your hands on product, whereas today product is literally everywhere until your local scalper gets to it. I really dislike that moonbreon is like $1k-1.5k or wherever it sits currently because it’s a pretty card. That said, moonbreon is one card and I would argue in the scheme of prices of the most popular card each year, $1-2k isn’t really all that much, and basically once or twice a week i continue to see people saying oh picked up ES on a whim, here’s the moonbreon i pulled. The SS pikachu is another example. That card is popular right now, but it’s so ugly. Sorry. In a year, maybe it’ll hold, or maybe itll drop to $100. People were all over that VV pikachu and look where it is now.
I don’t like the trend in modern to buy everything in sight and scalp; I think it’s fine to do SOME reselling but it feels like there should be some type of moral line i guess. But that won’t be followed by everyone, so everyone for themselves maybe.
Maybe you’ll make something of my incoherent rambling or maybe not. I feel like vintage stans are sometimes wrong in their evaluation of modern being worthless, but some modern fanboys are taking a bit too much offense when it is suggested that modern cards are, on average, worth less.
hot take but most of these livestreaming dudes have no clue how to handle cards… like why are you fondling the card so much just put it in a penny sleeve and be done with it
They fondle the card because they wouldn’t be able to hold or see it otherwise.