We love haggling 😒 Strategies in a necessary part of the hobby 🤔

While many of us have a love-hate relationship with haggling, receiving messages running the gambit from, “What’s your lowest?” to “Here are comps. Drop your price.” to even, “You’re the problem with this hobby!”, haggling is a necessary part of transacting, engaging with, and perpetuating any collecting community. But how do you approach it?

  • Mentalities?
  • Thought processes?
  • Techniques?
  • Anecdotes?

It’s easy to be cynical about hagglers, but many of us are open to it, I know. This is a thread to discuss and share the various aspects of what many of us both love and hate, yet also excel at and enjoy. Cynicism is a gateway to bitterness, and sours the fruits of [our] labors. Let’s leave the cynicism at the door, and focus here on what we each do to make haggling a productive endeavor. There’s always the Ebay Garbage Thread for the humor and venting, which IS important too.

I’ll start the thread with this:

Do you include limited messages with counter-offers, knowing that it gives away some of your thought process, but hoping to build some rapport? Or do you play your cards (pun intended) close to the chest?

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I have bought hundreds of cards off of ebay and have not once bothered with messages about price. If they have offers on, I send an offer. They decline, counter or accept. There’s nothing to really talk about. Either theyre okay with a price you send or not.

The only messages I will do is about card condition and I try to keep that to cards I’m pretty interested in buying assuming the condition is as good as I think it is. I’ll usually just ask to confirm the card isnt creased or dented, and this is all only for raw cards.

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Ebay haggling vs in person show/lgs haggling are different beasts. The former you have no idea who you are dealing with (Noobs to pros, 12 year old kids on their moms account, 75 year old ex-distributors sitting on a mountain of unsorted bulk) whereas at shows you can be sure everyone is down to haggle and at least sorta knows what they are doing.

I dont have any tips really, I wouldn’t say im amazing at it (but I have had some success with just being a normal decent human being)

Problem is when I’m haggling and I really want something it becomes quite obvious to the seller

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I send the offer and put “great card, thank you for considering" and that’s it, every time. Depending on the card I may do a little lower than willing to pay to see the counter but usually I just out the price im okay with with my impatience.

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blah blah blah, TL;DR XILEETS! SNORE!

WHAT’S THE LOWEST YOU CAN DO??!?!?!!??!!/?!?!?!?!!11!!?!/!?!?!/1/!?!?!!one!!/1/forwardslash!/?!?/!

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Might be a hot take :astonished_face:

But IMO at least on eBay…if you list something as Buy it Now or Best offer, the “what’s the lowest you’ll go messages are fair game. The OBO, IMO at least opens the door.

If I’m firm on a price, I list as Buy it Now. If I receive a “what’s the lowest you’ll take” on a BIN listing…then I get upset.

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people are not opposed to negotiating on ebay

but “whats the lowest youll go” is a very noob-ish way to start and signals to anyone with experience that you are not a serious buyer. I cant remember the last time I responded to a message like that

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yeah people don’t like to negotiate against themselves, the point of negotiation is to get to a price that both people are happy with, asking “what’s the lowest you’ll go” imo suggests a totally self-centered approach to negotiating, where the buyer wants the best possible price for themself with the least possible effort or thought paid to the other side of the transaction. if you have an offer price in mind, then just offer it, and the seller will counter or decline, it’s pretty simple.

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  1. Why send a message instead of just sending an offer?
  2. Why ask the seller to negotiate against themselves? They already set the asking price. Actually offer the seller a price; otherwise there’s nothing to respond to.
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Agreed. A message isn’t necessary. An offer should just be sent.

  1. I guess it’s a position of the dance. Sellers don’t want to reveal what they are really willing to let something go for. As buyers don’t want to reveal what they’re actually willing to pay. It’s part of the dance or game of chicken I guess/who will reveal a potential “tell” first.
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Haggling: to bargain in a petty, quibbling, and often in a manner likely to cause argument

I like haggling in good faith. Many times people view haggling as inconsequential but it is indeed part of the sale process (when applicable) and as such should have the process respected.

Good haggling is a discussion, a back and forth testing eachother, not a single side asking for a price reduction and the other side responding with no. Haggling should end with both parties feeling satisfied with the deal, because if you get angry the deal collapses. Similar to Poker, it includes reading the other person and giving them some idea of what your intents are without showing your whole hand.

Personally I like haggling with a bit of whimsy, even if I take a loss it can be worth the emotional entertainment I get from it, give me a reason real or fake but really sell it.

First step

is to see if they are open to haggling. Many people dont understand the process, especially online where nuance is not able to be read, so they are not open to it. If they are not open to “haggling”, some may still be willing to offer a discount to close the deal right away, like the set idea of 10% off. This depends on their needs or intent of effort in the process. In extreme cases, they’ll say they are open to offers but really have specific ideas of what they want already, ex: 95% market value even though they listed as an auction. Sellers arent wanting to do more work, dont force them to do more work by having them tell you their lowest and work against themselves, do the work for them by giving an offer of where you want to be.

Second step

if they are open to haggling is to throw out your walkaway price. The price that you will be happy with if they say yes right away, where you wont regret that maybe you should have gone for more off. For the buyer it should never be higher than where you want to be in the end because then you are fighting the sellers idea of where it is already valued and best case is a seller might cave for lower to no longer deal with you. Your walkaway price should be respectful to the value since the seller may laugh in your face if its too low and block you, although in person its easier to make the suggestion “Would you do $X for it?” get the response “Not a chance” but still follow up “Well what are you thinking?” or “Where do you want to be on it?”

Next step

is to take their answer and apply logic and reason to it. Is it inline with what you are thinking? Some sellers are delusional, some buyers are, but you cant come to a haggling agreement if someone is ridiculously off on their value. If it is in the ballpark, you can appeal to their emotions or appeal to their logic.
-Logic is giving them all the facts and comps, this can backfire if the seller has already done their homework. If theyve done that and still priced it high, then they are looking for an easy mark, not for someone trying to haggle a reasonable price. If your logic is sound then either they will sell or they’ll want more than what you offer.
-Emotional pleas can create a sense of camaraderie with them but requires you to be able to pick up on social cues and that can be hard, especially if you arent good enough to understand if this is a good strategy or not in the moment. If your emotional plea is good then you may be able to get them to reason out why they should lose money on the deal, or even more directly get the information of what their price must be.

Finally

you use all of this to close the deal. By this time you should know what price they need to be at for the deal to be made. Either you close the deal or you press your luck, see if you can roll this into another deal. You can also repeat step 2 to get more clarification on the sellers valuation but instead of a walkaway price you give them a number between walkway and logic, this is a deception price. You make them think you arent happy with the price so they are winning the haggle when really you are still in your range below price and logic.

In person example:

Card is at $100, Valued $95, Your budget $80
Interested in this card, would you do $70 on it? No way
Well where do you need to be on it? I can do $90
Any chance of $75 for it? It’d be great for my family member who loves that card. Cant do it
Well, recent comps put it at $95, after shipping and fees your going to be out a bit more on it. I can do $80 right now and still make my family member thrilled. I paid $75 myself on it, I cant do $80.
Well look, the deal is right here, you still make some and get rid of it, easy deal, btw wheres your shop at? Do you have a card or insta, is this listed on there, I look from time to time for some bigger purchases as well…

Also, to answer your question, my first counter offer as a buyer will rarely include more details. My second counter offer may have more details but usually the seller has delusional pricing. I may just give a reason of this is my budget right now (usually true) and will drop it for a while if they dont take it.
If the seller gave more information, that would immediately let me know to continue or drop it.

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If I am buying a card with Best Offer enabled, I just submit it there. If it’s not enabled I message them saying “Hello, would you consider $xxx?”… pretty straight forward and respectful, plus it doesn’t waste any time.

If I am selling and see a message saying “Whats the lowest you’ll take” I either troll them or ignore it. It’s the equivalent to them asking me to bargain against myself.

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When I sell I use consignment services so I only speak as buyer. Full disclosure, I don’t jive with the majority of used car salesmen I meet (don’t get me started on time shares). I just know what I want, and try to find a price that is fair for both parties. My “strategy” is:

  1. Arm yourself with information
  2. Be respectful of peoples time
  3. Walk away if No.1 & No.2 aren’t being reciprocated

You’re not going to get a 1st ed Charizard for pennies on the dollar with this strategy but it’s mutually beneficial for both parties involved.

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For stuff close to what I think of as market value w/ Best Offer enabled, I’ll just throw in what I’m willing to pay - I don’t generally message.

Sometimes there are items that are pretty overpriced though (maybe stale prices or unrealistic seller expectations) with offers enabled. I don’t want to come off as offensively lowballing the seller, so I try to usually explain a bit and point to comps to just make the case I’m giving a fair offer imo.

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When selling I always have my price to include some haggling, I guess like a ‘hagglers premium’. Maybe 10-20% higher than what I would like to sell the card at.

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i dont mind negotiating with myself. if i have a card listed for 10k obo, maybe i’ll take 7 or 8k for it. if they ask whats the lowest you will go im telling them 9500 :rofl:

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Here in Austria, we have local platform that is basically the standard way to buy/sell products second hand (it’s probably about 50 to 100 times as big as eBay here, I am not exaggerating). Although they implemented a system were you can buy the listed good directly in the last couple of years, usually all purchases and sales are completed via private messages. This obviously means that haggling is part of the game.

I for myself have nothing against haggling both as a seller or a buyer. However it all has to be within reason. When some messages me on one of my listings (let’s just assume it’s listed for 50€) just with messages like “20” or “lowest price?”, without any greetings or full sentences, I immediately loose any interest of doing a transaction with that person. Moreover, experience showed that it’s very unlikely that those people will buy the product anyway even if I respond.

On the other hand, if a person is polite and makes a reasonable offer, I have no problem with going down in price or make a counter-offer and meet in the middle. Especially when someone buys multiple items it’s even more likely for me to agree to some kind of discount. This is also the same how I act as buyer. I think a lot of people underestimate how far it takes one by just being a polite and genuine human being.

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Some simple rules:

  1. Be polite, build rapport - people are generous to those who they perceive as caring and put in effort. Avoid typos and curt speech
  2. Be ready to walk away or pay full price - begging is a turnoff and desperation bleeds
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It’s extremely simple. When list an item, I specify a price. If you want to negotiate, send a counterprice.

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