Uncut Jungle Wrapper?

What is the deal with the uncut jungle wrappers on eBay that are listed as “formatting” errors? I have legit uncut wrappers that I got years ago from “Rockcarolina” and @TCAGaming that are base set and fossil, but never thought any for jungle existed. I know Rusty a while back posted about fake 1st Ed base set wrappers on YouTube, so these jungle and 1st Ed base ones I see on eBay seem odd to me. This seller also has 1st Ed base set wrappers oddly and is Canada based. I’m really just curious about them above all else. I messaged the seller and got the following response…

“These are legit proofing wrappers done by the Australian facility that printed Pokemon for wotc . They reformatted the design when they crossed over from the us to Australia.”

These are the uncut wrappers from Rockcarolina and Rusty.


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I’m assuming it’s these ones you’re seeing on eBay. I wouldn’t touch them.

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Yea it’s the same guy and he’s selling jungle, 1 ed base all noted as being formatting errors. Sounds like not worth touching with a 12ft pole

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For what it’s worth, here’s the seller somewhat openly discussing some of the background of the packs with packyman. He was a little more open to engage in back and forth before everyone piled on him for the fake discos.

I didn’t watch the TCAGaming video on the 1st edition Base Set pack wrappers, but from packyman’s posts, I think he was implying that that video was regarding the same ones that are being sold by this seller.

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Damn, rolled back the years with this one!

Just adding a few things that might help figure out whether these are genuinely vintage or more recent.

First briefly the ‘discos’
TCA, eBay


CGC

Then next [Packyman’s assessment] of the wrappers (CGC Confirms Recent "Disco Test Prints" Are Forgeries - #110 by packyman) covers the foil sheets in more detail. The variety in typefaces, sizes, fonts, materials, and overall print characteristics doesn’t align with any known or documented factory production.

That same pattern of questionable authenticity also shows up in the Topps cards

I also came across some skateboards from the same shop:

This could suggest a link to a printing company used by an artist who goes by thedisaster.artist and also known as pokeflexop here, who sells prints and artwork through their social media and print shop, they had something very fascinating to say in this post:

Also, the Etsy shop connected to these items seems to be under a new name, though it still lists similar products:

If any of this had turned out to be legitimate, it would’ve been an amazing addition to Pokémon history. But with so many unverified details, it’s probably best to stay cautious until more solid proof turns up.

The thread is now closed, but it should be noted that one participant has edited a number of their previous comments. These revisions appear calculated to reshape perception and to suggest a level of composure and support that was not evident during the original exchange.

In their subsequent responses, the individual focused narrowly on one aspect while disregarding the wider issue of counterfeit goods. This selective emphasis functions as a means of narrative control rather than meaningful clarification.

Attempts at further dialogue have proven unproductive. The individual frequently employs diversionary questioning and reframing until the discussion collapses, after which they assert that they have been unfairly targeted. This behaviour has the effect of obscuring the primary concern, which is the maintenance of integrity and transparency within the discussion.

For clarity, the matter has never been personal. It relates to standards of conduct and the expectation that participants act in good faith. Where provenance cannot be confirmed, prudence and due diligence remain the professional course of action.

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i still want one of those charizard disco holos :frowning:

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Good to know people in this forum are still on it to prevent forgeries from getting passed around.

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I really want to believe the items that have been sold through this seller are legitimate, but it is hard to know with no provenance and too risky for me with the red flags that are present. I think the prices realized reflect the overall sentiment of collectors. Just the LC Reverse Uncut items this guy has sold would go for massive amounts more than what we have seen in the auctions so far: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=legendary+uncut+pokemon&_sacat=0&_from=R40&rt=nc&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1

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FYI he explicitly says in the listing for those LC sheets that they are “third party” and not from WOTC.

This dude will do everything in his power to not directly say he is selling fakes….

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I need to put eyes on one of them, just not spending $60 on a proxy. I could prob call these better than anyone.

I just wish they were not listed in such a way that can make a person think about buying them. I didn’t realize there was such a variety of reproduction this guy was pushing. Yikes…

It’s your lucky day

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Still about $40 too much lol, good looking out tho

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Very nice digging. The Etsy seller definitely has the same products pop up periodically. They even cut, crimped, and sealed the uncut wrappers which is very suspicious to me.

The eBay seller also switched names 3 times

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Is the seller the same guy who was trying to pump those fake discos here awhile back?

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wouldnt touch anything of the sort unless its in a cgc slab at the very least :rofl:

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Yeah and the difference is these are sold for way over not like the original coin machine variants from the 90’s - 2000’s some maybe sold for dollars the rarer ones. Unlicensed stuff

If someone gets me one of these, i can assure itll be in a CGC slab!

Corners really hindered this one

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