Unbelievable Scam

Did you check the tracking website of the country where the parcel went to?

In my experience when I buy something from the US and have it shipped here the tracking get updated on to the parcel force website because there the one’s who make the final delivery.

And when I ship items from here to US or Canada for example they have always transfered to the USPS or Canada Post systems and doesnt get updated on the UK parcel force site until it gets delivered.

Yes, of course. I did everything possible when this situation occurred. The problem is that there is not a universal standard on tracking. If there were, none of these situations would exist.

Something people may not be understanding is that the more expensive forms of tracking typically have full tracking. However, most customers do not want to pay $15 or more to have an item shipped. Which ultimately hurts the seller because they either charge the $15, loose feedback score and customers because they feel tracking is too high, or they risk the lower method that is not updated.

I did read what was being said, thank you kindly. :neutral_face: I read every single post.

Hence MY post.

Let me know how you feel when you lose over $500 of merchandise because the country of destination does not update their tracking. It is a business decision. If a country does not update their tracking it is not safe to do this type of business with them.

I still ship to Australia. In fact, I have shipped to multiple serious collectors throughout my years, even within this month. The point is just protecting myself from ebay members who are trying to take advantage of a flaw in the system.

Also, even though I still ship to the entire globe, you cannot hold it against sellers who choose not to ship internationally. You cannot blame then for not wanting to do something that has screwed them over in the past.

Hence the whole point of my post - shipping ANYWHERE, even your own country, with tracking, for expensive purchases. I was simply pointing out that I disliked having the finger shoved at my country and demonised because of a bunch of dicks. Dicks exist in every country, not just mine. :confused:

It also looks like Australia isnt currently with the EMS system and why the tracking didnt update because on there end they probably use a different tracking system to the EMS one so you wouldnt know what tracking details they have used within Australia.

People who send between EMS system using countries won’t have a problem with tracking because it’s one system that gets updated rather than single ones.

So it seem it’s a personal decision that you either make the sale with a risk of losing both items or money or dont make the sale at all.

Probably yeah - I know for a fact that every parcel I have sent either internally or externally can be tracked. And it costs like… 3-4$ more? Sometimes less. I don’t know.

Either way, we do have tracking here and everything can be fully tracked. :3

Skinst, how can someone identify a problem with a system without offending you? There is a massive issue right now on ebay and that is that not all of the countries have the same tracking standards but ebay has a blanket policy.

Like I said before, the seller is caught between a rock and a hard place. They either charge more for shipping, which turns away customers, or they take a risk with an affordable method which is not protected under the ebay seller protection because not every country has the same standards.

The bottom line is that if you ship something from your country, with tracking and pay $5, it will be tracked 100% of the time in the US. However, if I ship something from the US with tracking for $5 it does not have the same guarantee. All that is being said is that if everyone had the same standard, which is this case is the US, then ebay would not have these issues.

Here’s how you don’t offend me - don’t demonise sending stuff overseas when there are ways (YES EVEN IF THEY ARE MORE EXPENSIVE) of sending it where you are covered.

Yes, it’s flawed. Yes, it sucks. But unfortunetly until it changes that is the system we have to work with.

If buyers don’t want to pay the extra money to cover not only their own ass (so they get their package) but your own, then they are not worth your damn time.

I have said this countless times before - I will happily pay extra if that means a shipper feels more comfortable sending things to me, and I am willing to bet there are others that feel the same, especially if it is an item they really, really want!

But all this demonising of international shipping sincerely pisses me off because it gets back to the same shitty attitude Japanese sellers have, hence the need for expensive deputy services! It’s to the point now that SOME sellers in the US are saying “oh no you have to go through a middle man to ship internationally!”

I speak the same fucking language as you (general). I can tell you I will pay extra for tracking if needed.

But no. Sellers just decide to go “fuck no international shipping!” and I am cut off from more of E-bay due to fear mongering and stupid policies.

Lucky fucking you, you live in the US. Yet here I am, getting cut off more and more from great sellers because a few punks decide to fuck over honest sellers. Yet here I am sitting here having to deal with more and more sellers turning me away simply because of WHERE I LIVE.

Do you get now why I find this ridiculous and offensive? :confused: I’m tired of being turned away because I just happen to live in another country from you (general).

So there you go - hope it helps.

I am in Canada, I have to deal with selling and buying internationally. Everything Scott said is correct. When sellers ship to me with the cheap method that has tracking, Canada post will not carry on the tracking. Neither will any other country. Why? The other countries will go into debt as they don’t have the money to update the tracking info. The only way to have international tracking is through registered mail ($20) or EMS ($35+)

You think everyone is attacking you Skinst, but it is fact that is being stated. I sell internationally, 1 in 15 buyers are willing to shell out $20 for shipping. So I charge everyone $7, and pay $20 out of pocket. You and I are in the minority willing to pay, but you make it sound as though you are the majority. Most just wont pay, and I can barely make ends meet when selling.

There is a flaw in the system, but Scott one thing I disagree with is you blaming the other countries postal services. I don’t mean this as an attack or a criticism for you… many countries offer the $5 international tracking option, as soon as that reaches any other country (including the US), tracking disappears. It’s just not financially feasible for any country to pay to track an item that they weren’t paid for. It happens all over the world. The only way is registered mail or EMS which are international services where both countries involved get paid through one uniform system. Therefore tracking will follow it anywhere, as every country is paid, but it is invariably costly.

Hope this comes across in the right way.

Basically the $5 shipping option internationally is not feasible for any country. It works great in their own country but that’s it. Canada stopped offering it internationally, because no one carries it on after the border. They didn’t want to mislead consumers I presume.

Thanks Jason, and the I used $5 as a general example. Any item that I purchase on ebay from another country that uses the equivalent of 1st class mail here always tracks. For example, I purchased something from China for $3 total and it was tracked the entire way. Basically and what is obvious for most sellers is that ebay needs a universal standard for their policies. And I agree, the cost for the other countries is different, which is probably the main dilemma.

Skinst, you seem to have had some other issues with sellers in the past. Those sellers are not here, I am not one of them, do not treat me with that level of disrespect.

Notice how Jason responded to the discussion. He displayed respect while also disagreeing with one of the points made. You however were vulgar, accusatory and unnecessarily inserted yourself as the main point of discussion. Thus, the conversation is derailed from the main topic. The kicker is that I ship everywhere in the world to this date making your claims/accusations completely false. Furthermore, you are undermining sellers who are only protecting themselves because of a flawed policy. Ebay is the issue, not the sellers.

Because of your blatant disrespect for fellow collectors, sellers and someone who has put countless time into providing a forum for you to disrespect them on, I am going to have to lock this thread. Also, consider this a public warning: Any aggressive, accusatory or vulgar conversation aimed at members is not allowed and is completely disrespectful.