You’d be surprised. I am new to this side of Pokémon cards (investing vs just collecting) and have no issues bidding with PWCC. I had my bids validated with PWCC to avoid any issues at auction close.
I’ve told pwcc exactly this. It’s very very unfortunate that so many high value cards end within 4 seconds of one another. People can’t just use Gixen or another software program for all the cards they want when they can’t afford all of the cards and they don’t know which ones they will win and which ones they will lose.
You have balls of steel man.
You turned down an offer of at least 585k in your October sale that was not really a sale on Insta. Where you would have netted almost the whole at least 585k ( that was the last publicized offer at least… maybe you would have gotten more of you would have agreed to actually sell it?)
But now- we have a sale of a set at 630k- broken up… so the seller is losing approx 10% of the sales price to pwcc - which means the last seller who broke up their set actually netted less than 570k. Which is less than your 585k offer that you passed on.
Now- you would I imagine that the sales price a month later would likely be less than last month… especially in december when everyone is stretched thin paying for PS5s and other Christmas gifts! ( I fell victim to this myself when Robert Edward auctions sold the same Joe Jackson card month after month…in 2 straight auctions- first one sold for 25k… and same card in same grade sold for 19k in their very next auction).
Any consideration given to pulling the cards and waiting until spring??
I know I would be thinking about that.
I am now only a card from making the set myself now.
Watching what everyone is doing now like a hawk!
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The highest offer I received for my complete set was $569k (but I received multiple offers in that area). The PWCC set the other day sold for $632k, which came out to $570k-something after PWCC took its cut. I’m sure my set break featuring all Thick Stamps will also do well.
That doesn’t mean this is the optimal way to sell the set (there are certainly flaws with PWCC, especially the limited amount of time between each card).
There’s a good argument to be made for holding. It’s something I wrestled with quite a bit, because I do believe there is a lot of room for growth with this set, especially in the long-term.
But at some point we all have to make a decision and stick with it. Selling through PWCC was the decision I made. Why? A big part of it was just to put an end to negotiating and just sell everything I intend to sell in one stroke. Negotiating itself can be annoying and stressful.
Also, congrats on being just 1 card short from completing your set (I assume you have just the Charizard still missing).
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One more thing I’ll add that gives me confidence -
We just had a Charizard sell for $295.3k. I really don’t think that’s getting enough attention in this thread.
That’s the card that pulls in the most attention from investors far and wide, even outside the hobby.
That card just sold publicly for $75k more than what it sold for in early October.
That type of growth is likely to give investors confidence.
People might have noticed that $129k Lugia sale as well.
My Charizard is going to be advertised as a Thick Stamp - a one up on either of the other public Charizard auctions in recent months (the Iconic Auctions Charizard and the previous PWCC Charizard were both Thin Stamps).
My cards will also be selling on the weekend as opposed to a work day. And I am told there will be no duplicates in this auction block.
So overall, I think I’ll do alright. 
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Also with Charizard holding so much of the overall sets value, it’s pointless to sell everything but hold onto the Zard. At that point, you might as well just hold onto the full set. Either sell it all, or hold it all.
Good luck with the auctions next month, hopefully you can retire afterward 
Something tells me there is going to be a big dip in thick stamp propaganda in 2021.
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I love this!!
Honestly- I am a card from the set and have no clue if I have thick or thins.
It seems like a good poll… who would pay a premium for thick vs thin? I bet the reply is pretty telling.
Says the guy with a complete thin stamp set. It’s all good though. I’ve spoken about why I sought to collect thick stamps at length, no need to get into a debate.
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Most people would not pay a premium. The “winning” choice will be that people would not pay a premium. But do a decent number of people care? Yes, for reasons I’ve spoken about before (the first version of the stamp, the rarer version of the stamp, base set exclusive stamp while all subsequent wotc sets were thin stamps, and thick stamp holos match the rest of the set).
Some of your recent replies in this thread come across as purposefully trying to lower the final price of this full set, eBulb’s in particular. Such as excitement that my Venusaur ended below $20k when I received confirmation multiple people had higher bids that did not go through and one person shared their email to PWCC venting frustration that a bid in the last second was not approved despite PWCC earlier saying it would be.
Kindly remember that there are real people behind the screen whenever you gloat about how poorly you expect something to sell.
As for thick stamp, yes there are people who put a premium and specifically seek it out, regardless of what you personally care about.
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Let the market speak for itself. Not sure why people need to piss on others.
GL with the auction, looking forward to following the activity in December.
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Said without a hint of irony! Love it. All the best to you
Look, I get that it pisses you off when I talk about why I prefer thick stamps and that it has for a long time.
I collected the cards I preferred / saw value in which is why I collected all thick stamps.
Just like how I talked about on E4 about how I wanted a no. 1 trophy Pikachu and a snap Bulbasaur, and then I bought those cards. (Even though it wasn’t in my interest to say I wanted those cards until I acquired them).
But okay, sure, cast stones because I mention the idea of thick stamps having value to some people, even though the reason I went out of my way to collect thick stamps in the first place was because of the value I saw in them.
This thread definitely has inherent problems when it strays from data to market predictions. Hell even similar to real life just factual reporting can still omit certain things or not “fact check” the validity of sales before it publishes a number as if it was a valid data point and so being completely unbiased just isn’t a thing and you’ll never make everyone happy.
The most active people in this thread are naturally the ones active in the market and with a vested interest and it has shown over the past… well 95 pages I guess being the most accurate. It’s a bit of a bad look for both sides arguing clearly in favor of their financial interests when we can just wait and see what happens. Even then we won’t have a true answer whether the results were valid, nor due to thick/think, nor due to the closing time, failed snipes, unapproved buyers, etc. etc.
Prices are high and naturally emotions are too.
*Disclaimer that I own a complete PSA 9 1st edition holo set that isn’t for sale but I’d regret not having sold if the prices dip over the next several years though I don’t think they will and that is why I continue to hold them and I have genuinely no idea if any of my holos are thick or thin.
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You are off target, everyone has their own preference about anything - each to their own I say!
All of this is entirely subjective. Each person is entitled to their own opinion. I have articulated clear and specific reasons for why I prefer Thick Stamps (the original version of the stamp, rarer, matches the non-holos, base set exclusive stamp) but no one is required to care about such things.
For example, if someone prefers Thin Stamps because they match all the 1st edition WOTC cards outside of Base Set, that’s a perfectly valid reason.
And if people don’t know or care about the difference in stamps at all, their apathy is also perfectly valid.
Lmao At this disclaimer. Context make sense. FWIW I have nothing at stake for these December auctions, no 1st Ed base holos to sell public or privately; some comments recently I have simply found in poor taste.
At this point I definitely regret mentioning publicly that the December set break is my set. I felt weird not mentioning it when I have been such an active member of the forum in these discussions. But yeah, clearly that was a mistake on my part.
It’s really a shame that you should be made to feel that way. You’re a frequent poster here on this forum, and I find your posts to be full of knowledge and informative. It’s obvious to me you’ve done your best to be balanced in your posts despite your personal stake. I’m sure this is a time of anxiety - I hope your sales set new records! Why shouldn’t we all wish that for a fellow forum member?
Personally, I do prefer thick stamps over thin. Not enough that I collected every last graded card that way. If I had the choice to buy the PSA 10 zard thick versus thin I would have done so, and even paid a slight premium for it. For my binder set, I made sure my charizard was a thick stamp and overall 13/16 holos are thick stamps. If the prices had stayed low I would have ultimately gotten the last three in thick stamps too and swapped them out. Thick stamps are rarer, and I like the uniformity of thick stamps with the rest of the set. They are unique to first edition which I think is cool.
Each to their own though. I fully recognize many people don’t care or may even prefer thin stamps. There’s no being “right” about it. It’s all down to preference.
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