Anyone familiar with this type of damage? At 4:30 in the video he shows an indent on the charizard. He does mention an efour thread. I haven’t heard of the PSA ruler damage but was curious. Video seems to be about 2 years old.
Here is the thread: does this truly deserve an 8? - #25 by Pbali
It is a common enough print defect that you can see multiple examples of it. Not entirely sure how PSA would treat it today, but it was entirely possible to get up to a 9 at certain times with that defect.
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In the video comments he mentions he sent it back to psa to get it reevaluated and they said they agree with the psa 8 grade
Do you still have your 9? I saw in the thread yours had something similar but it looked much less noticeable/smaller
Nope, I sold it pre boom. I want to say in early 2018-ish from what I remember. I didn’t think it looked that bad on the card, but mine may have been less noticeable as you mentioned. Hard to say without seeing all the examples in hand
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That’s true. How’s the collection looking these days? Still collect?
In MTG, these are called “roller lines” or “roller marks” and they can be particularly common on older sets. Something with the manufacturing process creates these noticeable, slightly-indented, lines. They can be more/less noticeable on the front or back. Most cards with this defect have one or two noticeable lines, but no more than that.
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I still collect. My collection has slimmed down to mostly 03-07 cards as well as worlds promos. I sold the charizard to buy some gold stars and ex’s which I still have
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Oh interesting, I thought roller lines were only exclusive to 93/93 mtg cards. Had no idea they appeared on pokemon too
Awesome you’re still collecting! EX era cards are awesome!
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I had two vertical roller lines on a Glaceon V Alt Art from Evolving Skies. They can happen on any set, unfortunately. I’ve seen more vertical roller lines on recent sets than horizontal.
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That’s wild. Very interesting. I wonder how it happens in the factory that they haven’t been able to avoid/fix it after decades
Finally got my first problem order from PSA! This order has mostly cards that have not been graded before, so I had to enter the info for them. Hoping it has something to do with that and not damage. Guess I’ll find out when they contact me.
Let me know if you have had a problem order before and what the problem turned out to be!
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Occam’s razor says it’s probably this.
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This is assume they didn’t change the process since 2021.
Sending cards they never graded before (and you didn’t send out CRC Research Requests before your order went in) won’t result in a problematic order.
In Research & ID, they will forward unrecognized cards to their research department which also means that Research & ID step will take longer on your order. Once they reached a conclusion on all cards, they will move all accepted cards to Grading step, and rejected cards will be marked as N9 (no spec. thus do not grade) and set aside to be returned as-is after all accepted cards were processed. You won’t get a notice that you have cards sorted to N9, but you will get an email when your cards entered Grading in general, and you can then see those cards marked as N9 in the order page.
However, there was a trick for those N9 cards - if you find out your cards were marked as N9 as soon as your order enters Grading, you may immediately submit a CRC Research Request with supportive evidence and write down the order number you have that N9 in in the comments. If the evidence were enough to pursuade the research department before Grading was done, they might put the newly recognized cards back in Grading and send your card back graded. This may drag the Grading step, but hey you don’t have to submit again.
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I know this is a rhetorical question, but I’m going to answer it. Some people value other things over grading speed: clarity of the case, ability to differentiate 10 grades, documenting of errors, etc.
Why not state your exceptional PSA speed without trashing another company?
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It seems you are doing the exact same thing. Is CGC that comic company with the huge scandal going on right now with comics being broken open and replaced and people using their fingernail with little effort to break open slabbed cards? Or is it that company with the $10 slabbed cards in one of the 2,382 different mystery slab products?
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What are you talking about?
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I actually use CGC also. So i am talking thru what my experience with CGC is.
(dont know understand when i post about SGC many talk and trash SGC is not considered trash talking), but when i post the truth about CGC, it is trash talking.
Some reasons i slowed down my subs with CGC.
- The tracking , TAT and grades are horrible.
- TAT are double what posted when i send in cards to grade
- Will never know when the labels changes again. $5 again to money grab relabel
- never know when the grading scale is change again
- Never know when the grading standards change again
- Never know what the next scandal is again
- Never know when OMEGA grades 200,000 cards and screw my orders TAT times
- CGC grading hand cut cards as errors, stolen cards, etc.
- One personal opinion here. CGC is coming more of a carnival side show nowadays.
- The list is long.
I do grade with CGC in small numbers now, some customers still like CGC. But many are moving to SGC and PSA is still strong as ever.
Sick of seeing “scheduled for grading”
Todays numbers.
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I’m not here to agree or disagree on the merits or controversies of a specific company. These opinions belong on e4, just not in this thread. If you’re looking to trash CGC, SGC, PSA, whoever’s turnaround time, then that’s perfectly fine and encouraged on this thread.
Maybe I’m in the minority here, but I don’t think every post needs to bash another company. The data speaks louder than opinions. 
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