The Giant English Market Thread

The hobby really feels like we are back to pre-pandemic levels, in a good way:

  • New product available everywhere
  • Grading fees are below $20 for cheaper cards
  • Bulk buylist prices are low or non existent. Bulk just feeds junk 3rd party products anyways
  • High end cards are now available, similar ballpark price or lower, but multiple copies are out there now (Eevee Fan Club, Espeon/Umbreon gold star, etc.)

Makes one wonder if the hobby will level off here or experience nice steady growth like the past 10 years. I have seen about 95% of the flippers/scalpers/Team Rocket on Facebook groups leave the scene.

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100%. I’m really enjoying the calmness. Sure sales aren’t as frequent, but this is so much more relaxing.

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Kinda sad to see lots of people liquidating their personal collections though. Some things on IG I have watched people build over the years just being sold to the highest bidder. A lot of times they are coming from people who I really thought were into pokemon

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Times change, people’s interests change. It’s sad for sure, but hopefully all those collections go to someone who either truly appreciates it or can make the most of them. Eventually, everything worth collecting will land in much firmer hands.

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Probably one of the worst times to be selling given the huge drop in asset prices across the board, unless you got in well before the 2020/2021 Logan Paul boom and are locking in whatever gains you can. So many come in looking for easy/quick money with so many things these days, but I am glad they have been flushed out for the time being as well.

I definitely agree that this is a great time to be a buyer again. It’s feeling more like the Magic market to me these days where we get the odd exciting thing, but for the most part things are just flat and steady.

I’ve been getting so many great deals on raw NM WOTC cards and just slowly filling up my binders each week/month and taking it slow. Every once in a while I’ll go for a high grade slab of the ones I really like the most, and have gotten some really nice deals lately.

I have to admit that I was quite late to ever seriously collecting Pokemon again aside from what was left of my small childhood collection, so I’m really happy to be able to pick up some cards I really wanted and being patient and waiting for this downturn has paid off immensely in that regard.

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I enjoy being able to add things to my watchlist and not feel like I have to buy them immediately before they sell out the next day

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My one worry right now is the Bulk prices being so low - Like them or not those 3rd party products help bankroll a lot of LGS’s both online and brick & mortar stores. I wasn’t around much during the last time bulk went to 1c a card but didnt quite a few people have to close down ( I think I remember an smpratte video talking about TCA having to shut down in part due to this? )

Given the amount of product being opened nowadays, it’s pretty remarkable to me that bulk is still even commanding $0.01/card. I don’t know how there are enough end consumers for it. 9 billion cards distributed last fiscal year, 95%+ of which is bulk. Obviously, most of that doesn’t enter the available bulk supply, but it’s still shocking how even a fraction of that could be absorbed. I guess there are really that many people buying these ā€œmysteryā€ lots on Amazon/eBay?

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I think the market for parents buying their kids a bundle of cards is a hell of a lot bigger than most would imagine yeah

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I certainly don’t feel like we are back to pre-pandemic levels in terms of prices, I’m still paying 3-5x what I would pay before things went crazy (better than 5-10x though). But, recently things have started to feel much more attainable. I’m getting back to collection goals I had put on hold, I’m cleaning out the massive grading backlog, the JPY exchange rate is great, and I don’t feel a massive amount of pressure to buy cards in case they become unattainable in the future.

I hope things keep chilling out. Take me back to the days where I can buy a booster case of modern Japanese for 15% off retail and it’ll be paradise.

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The market is definitely different and much larger than pre pandemic 2019. While wotc went up and down, EX is just up. DP is higher. A lot of japanese promos are higher. Plenty of boxes are higher. The team up’s I bought at retail in 2019 have 10x.

The idea that it is bad to sell isn’t necessarily true. Selling the items mentioned above in 2020 would have been worse than today. Selling trophies during 2020 would have been less than 2021 and some of the prices now. Its a good sign to see a mix in trends. It implies the interest and market isn’t binary.

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Good point, I guess I should clarify that mainly the early WOTC stuff that got heavily inflated when Logan came around and everything else was booming is what I’ve seen continually drop the most, except for the more scarce offerings and PSA 10s which have held high prices much better it seems. Like the days of $1000 Jungle Pikachus I think are long gone for the time being, lol.

But no doubt that other sets and cards have gone higher even in this slower environment, which is nice to see. I hope to eventually collect more of those over time.

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sometimes I feel like the loud ones are trying to convince themselves of something as much as they are trying to convince anyone else.

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Dang I hate it when an older card becomes ā€œcompetitively viableā€ in the unlimited format because of a new modern card, and then the 5 people who actually play that format in their hidden after-dark around the corner underground game bunker decided to try and buy up the card even after its literally 60x in price.

I’m trying to complete my sets and I understand the market does what it will do. But that doesn’t mean I have to like it :angry:

People also shouldn’t be buying playsets of a 10-year-old reverse holo, now going for $40-80, that cost $1.50 a month ago :face_with_diagonal_mouth:

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Looks like the Test Print Blastoise is back on the market at Heritage. Wasn’t expecting to see this card again. Super curious how it’ll do this time.

Test Print Blastoise (Heritage)

What is dead may never die! :sweat_smile:

But really, as a blastoise collector, and potential buyer, I really wonder how many copies truly exist.

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…or that if they CAN convince others, it’ll be true. It’s uncanny, how often that ends up being the case. ā€œThere will always be people like [them] among us, waiting for the right climate in which to flourish.ā€ Respect, if anyone knows what that’s from. :sweat_smile:

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Curious if anyone else saw this news. I wonder if it will be as crazy as the metal charizard upc.

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I feel like this will probably be more in line with the Sword and Shield dogs Ultra Premium Collection than the Celebrations one. The Celebrations one had a lot going for it to appeal to a wider audience (Metal cards of Charizard and Pikachu, Gold Pikachu V, Charizard and Pikachu pins, Celebrations packs), where this one seems more ā€œnormalā€ depending on the Pokemon it’s based off of.

That said I guess it depends on how many they print, and if the promos are available elsewhere (the SWSH dogs were available in ETBs too). I guess it’s hard to really say one way or the other until we know what the actual promos are.