This have been happening for years now, every time a poketuber highlights x card or product it shoots in price instantly. Some of them knows this and do it on purpose, others just want to expose x card and get this as an undesirable side effect. Hence why all this discussion is going on about how influential they are.
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I just was able to listen through Jake and Caribou’s conversation. I enjoyed it. Definitely some things I didn’t agree on, but they didn’t even agree on everything together. I consume a fair bit of YouTube content in the background and it is refreshing to me to hear more of a debate style conversation where two people respectfully disagree on certain things, find common grounds in others and just continue to talk about the hobby we all love. With whomever of the two you agree or disagree or even if you disagree with both it should be fairly clear that they both have a passion for the hobby.
A lot of life isn’t black and white and it is interesting getting into conversations about the nuance or morality etc. behind certain things as opposed to just getting fed one persons view on these topics though I still do follow and consume several of those style channels and find value in them. In life in general we need to have more people willing to sit down and have conversations with those holding opposing viewpoints. Very infrequently will anyone be completely swayed from one side or the other but gaining some mutual understanding can never hurt IMO.
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Lets compare two things for the record and why I think one sounds entitled and salty, and the other sounds helpful and informative.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fbDy-8CGWg
First we have a video titled “adapt or die” in which someone who has been collecting long-term across multiple hobbies encourages newer collectors how to navigate pricepoints and still find great stuff to fill out their collections.
Next we have the following:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JcplM4ZUFI
Here is a direct quote from @jacobm9 :
"There are so many shareholders in the pokemon franchise and we all have our desires and needs and relationship to pokemon… and so I think trying to frame this conversation in a way that 'how do we do our best to be aware of like… other people’s needs…within the pokemon community and do our best not to step on certain people…You come from this perspective and have an audience of a player while I have an audience where I care a lot about the collectors … I care a lot about the new collectors coming into the hobby. I don’t want them to get scammed. I don’t want them to get manipulated into making risky purchases on credit, all these types of things. Everyone has their sort of passion and things they really care about and understanding where people are coming from and being empathetic with that I think is very important.
I think that some content creators are coming from a place of I want to make people happy and I want to make only positive content and then it becomes this interesting situation of what is positive and is that always helpful and what if people are feeling pretty all negative, is there like a toxic positivity? And I think what can happen here, and my feeling, is that it can be a bit tone-deaf when a bunch of millionaires who have all the cards and all the money and all the connections … you know and this is what I really agreed with…are lecturing people on moving on and growing up or taking a break Adapt or Die. It’s just really GROSS. I think there is a decent argument to be made that there is truth in that and there is truth in that people DO need to adapt… OF COURSE, we ALL need to adapt… But it’s WHO’S SAYING IT and the WAY they’re saying it what offends me on that gut level and I think your video is a great starting point on a conversation around this.:
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How do you process this as a collector? If you’ve had to deal with the trials of these situations for decades and learned how to navigate raw emotions and face harsh realities constructively… you should shut up? Let the people who don’t know wtf is going on or how to cope just cry and point fingers? Gatekeep who gets to have a voice? Be offended by those who have managed to put collections together in multiple hobbies and came out with some degree of success? They have “all the cards and all the money” now so they are devoid of empathy and simply rubbing it in our faces?
Nah, this is coddling to crybabies and coming off as a bit of a crybaby yourself. I can’t subscribe to this pattern of reasoning. I fully understand wanting to empathize with others. But gatekeeping who and how people do this is absurd. ABSURD. And here we have a 2 hour video filled with this kind of rhetoric and justifying what was said in the previous video while in some cases doubling down on it.
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How do you process this as a collector? If you’ve had to deal with the trials of these situations for decades and learned how to navigate raw emotions and face harsh realities constructively… you should shut up? Let the people who don’t know wtf is going on or how to cope just cry and point fingers? Gatekeep who gets to have a voice? Be offended by those who have managed to put collections together in multiple hobbies and came out with some degree of success? They have “all the cards and all the money” now so they are devoid of empathy and simply rubbing it in our faces?
Nah, this is coddling to crybabies and coming off as a bit of a crybaby yourself. I can’t subscribe to this pattern of reasoning. I fully understand wanting to empathize with others. But gatekeeping who and how people do this is absurd. ABSURD. And here we have a 2 hour video filled with this kind of rhetoric and justifying what was said in the previous video while in some cases doubling down on it.
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2x in one post… In all seriousness though I do agree with you though. If you’re new to the hobby and don’t have the money for trophies or mint 1st Ed base, find an alternative. Adjust your collection goals. Go to a lgs and ask them to hold some packs of the new set for you. Even for those who apparently only enjoy opening the newest set: make a preorder, go on launch day, or pay an extra $1 per pack online.
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@chrisbalestra , all Jake was saying was that there’s a way to get the point across in a slightly more empathetic way. FWIW, I agree with you and Scott. The entitlement and gatekeeping are tiresome and pointless. And there’s a lot more to this hobby than just modern sealed product, which people need to realize.
But I think that there are ways to get this across so as to come off as slightly less harsh and slightly more empathetic. Calling people crybabies and snowflakes (even if these are apt terms lol) is unproductive and just generates animosity. I believe that was what Jake was trying to get across. At a minimum, just feign empathy and move on. It’s better than alienating people.
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For the record, people are being called crybabies and snowflakes now, after two videos of finger-pointing and gate keeping on a large swath of OG collectors who have helped push this hobby forward for decades. Go ahead and watch the video they literally mentioned and said was “offensive”, or the video below, and show me what part of it sounds like it lacks empathy or calls people names. Shit if I was one of the youtubers in her first video I’d have filed a claim already. Especially someone like Lee with a 2 million followerbase that has been nothing but positive for kids and young adults alike well before any temporary covid-induced scarcity (not scalper scarcity) that is nothing but a short-term blip and easily navigated by logging onto your computer and ordering the cards online.
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Exactly, there’s a huge segment if not the vast majority, who couldn’t care less about obscure promos, illustrators, super expensive cards,etc. And that’s totally fine as it is, the people who are super knowledgeable in this area, your solution is not the solution for Timmy (and it shouldn’t be).
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Unrelated, but how about a moment of recognition: Scott has really improved his thumbnails this year!
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He outsourced haha
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I didn’t say Scott was calling people names. I think Scott’s responses have been totally fine. Maybe not perfect, but I certainly agree with the message he’s trying to get across.
But you quite literally called people “crybabies.” Maybe it’s a fair characterization, but it’s unproductive.
I was just about to comment about the same thing! Kudos to the member who’s been making these thumbnails for him, they’ve been great!
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I am calling them that because that is exactly what they are and I’m not the one they are discussing and saying they’re “offended” over in their conversations.
Again, I don’t necessarily disagree that people are being crybabies. But the point that Jake was making is that calling people names like that (which demonstrates a lack of empathy) is only making things worse.
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Jake can’t be making that point when I’m not the one he’s discussing in the video. Again, he was literally calling out a video made by Scott. Scott was not calling people crybabies. I am, right now. I am not an influencer. I am not a youtuber. I’m someone commenting on this series of videos and I am not worried about being “constructive” or hurting feelings. I’m calling a spade, a spade.
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This thread is like reading a YouTube comment section, so it’s appropriate.
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The sense of what people think they’re entitled to collecting-wise is unreal, absolutely unreal. Whether you’re coming into the scene in 1999, 2009, or 2019, at the end of the day you can’t always get what you want.
I sense with these youtubers who are making a big fuss about the current state of the hobby, there is some slight political undertone/bias to their opinion of “what’s fair” and what’s “gatekeeping”
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I don’t see an issue isn’t creators bringing awareness to vintage. Pokemon is so massive and they help bring interesting cards/product to light that most people wouldn’t have the time to find. The issue is limited quantity. Of course modern is a whole different story.
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I don’t really like all the hate Carribou is getting. She made some good points and had a well made video. Put the salt shakers away and deal with it.
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It’s her salt shaker. If by “dealing with it” you mean cancelling and ignoring her rather than having a discussion about it, I’m fine with that.
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Worry not, is only like a couple of ppl within this forum, outside here you will hardly find people thinking that way.
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