Sgpokecollect's First Giveaway (: [Ended - Winner Selected!]

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I think everything should be taked with a grain of salt. People will only be willing to pay so much for certain things. Things outside of Base/Jungle/Fossil and the Gold Stars/Shinings/Crystals should be carefully considered. I don’t see Pokemon having such a wide-reaching effect that a PSA 7 unlimited Delibird holo from Neo Rev will be a $1000 card… I would just focus on the cards that are already established. It hurts to sink your teeth into Shadowless and 1st Base but those are the most valuable now and will (in all likelyhood) continue to be. It’s hard to call what is undervalued and what just doesn’t have a lot of interest. I think Fossil and Jungle 1st Ed should earn higher prices all around. If stupid Pokemon like Clefairy can earn $2k just because they are from the original set I don’t see why 1st Edition Muk can’t. I suppose another category is to get in with the PSA 10s while it’s possible.

Neat giveaway, thanks.

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Just so blown away by the diverse perspectives…at this rate maybe my best investment so far is hosting this giveaway.

Keep the awesome answers coming in guys!

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So my best investment idea is sealed 1st edition wotc product, and I’ve gone ahead and put my money where my mouth is on that one and bought almost 20 boxes over the past four months and I’ll continue to buy them. I’m bullish on sealed product, specifically 1st edition because it’s a limited product where supply will only ever go down. More PSA 10s can enter the registry as collections and cards are unearthed over the years but there will never be more sealed boxes, every one that gets opened or destroyed makes the others that little bit rarer.

I’ve said before that with boxes you’re invested in the entire set which is great, if a card goes up in value it doesn’t matter if you don’t own a copy if you have the sealed box. With the box you potentially own all the cards, so the box price will appreciate as the cards do. Look at the 1st edition base box, that was about $10k last year, the cards all skyrocketed and now the box is $50k. I believe a lot of PSA 10 1st edition cards from jungle/fossil/rocket etc are undervalued now, as those prices correct over the next few years those boxes are going to grow in value accordingly.

As far as ROI goes could there be better investments? Probably. I think betting on cards specifically though is a lot riskier than sealed product, this is a safe long term hold. I could see jungle/fossil/rocket boxes being where neo destiny is at $4-$5k in five years easily. A lot of the boxes I own have already started selling consistently for $300-$500 more than what I originally paid for them, which at the time was a fair market value.

If you look at MTG, the first expansion made after alpha/beta/unlimited was arabian nights … pokemons version of jungle. The print run on that was 5 million cards in total and December this year would make 24 years since it was released. I know someone that was looking for a sealed box recently and was looking to spend up to $50k for it … he found one person willing to sell after months of searching and they wanted considerably more.

1st edition jungles print run is unknown but definitely way bigger than arabian nights (if I had to guess I’d say it’s about MTG legends print numbers, 35 million cards - just based on my feel of both markets and card/box availability over the same time periods) and it’s only been 18 years since release, but it makes you wonder, where could it be in another six years?

Do I expect $50k? Most definitely not, but it’s clear these boxes are slowly draining out of the market. I look daily and it’s hard to find them let alone at a ‘reasonable’ price. Following the chain of events I strongly believe over time less of these 1st edition cards will be entering the market due to prohibitively expensive or uneconomical box prices because of the reduced supply, meaning less cards hit the PSA registry, and in turn high grade card prices will go up over time because of this (provided there is still demand) as more collectors want the small limited number of them for their sets (there can currently only be a maximum of 37 PSA 10 1st edition jungle holo sets in the world, that is NOTHING!!) … which potentially brings the box into an economical price point for breaking them and grading again, causing those still existing sealed box prices to push higher as more boxes are opened and the available pool gets smaller and smaller until eventually you’re at 1st edition base box territory (not as in price, as in they’re pretty much completely unavailable these days).

So yeah … sealed 1st edition boxes, they’re good IMO :grin:

That said, I think all PSA 10 1st edition holos from everything outside base are underpriced. This is ridiculous:
www.ebay.com.au/itm/PSA-10-Gem-Mint-CLEFABLE-HOLO-Pokemon-1999-1st-Edition-Jungle-Set-1-64/292201192765

So you’re telling me I can buy every single copy (provided they were on the market) of 1st edition jungle clefable for less than $10k? That’s pretty ridiculous, and that’s the case for a lot of these holos - they should be higher than that and I think the price is going to correct as people realise this and pick up cards they need now before they can’t. I and many others have the capital to do something like this (buy every available copy on the market over an extended period of time) on multiple ‘rookie card’ species, it happens in MTG all the time, it wouldn’t surprise me if it starts happening here at some point.

Which will raise 1st edition box prices … :wink:

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Agreed. I think a lot of the older Wotc sets are quite undervalued. Someone mentioned Fossil and Jungle and I tend to agree, especially since many are tough to grade. Poor Dragonites and other top cards sitting on ebay for less than $500, sometimes wayy less as you just pointed it out.

I also think stuff like 1st Ed Dark Charizard and Blaine’s Charizard are quite cheap. Time will tell I guess!

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European* First Edition Base Set.
Why? Because English First Edition is harder and harder to come by and the European prints are under appreciated. We already see a shift from PSA10 into PSA9 because for many people PSA10 1st Edition is just out of their budget. A First Edition Charizard stays a First Edition Charizard no matter what’s it called or what language is printed on the card. With the shift into PSA9 a shift into non-English, non-Asian First Edition Base Set will eventually happen. Although, it heavily relies on how fast unlimited Base Set is going to pick up and how fast those prices will change for PSA9 and PSA10 copies. The thing that the European print has going for it, in it’s favour is that it’s recognized and labeled by PSA unlike e.g. the “4th Print” with the 1999-2000 copyright mark.

*European as in the German, French, Spanish, Italian and Portuguese prints. I know, Spanish is not just Europe and neither is Portuguese but at first these prints were meant primarily for the European market.

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I’m really not the right person to give advice on investment point of view, but honestly there is no way you can go wrong with any WOTC product, especially 1st Edition Base, Jungle and Fossil.

I think the Gold Stars might be worth of investing as well, especially the Charizard is really rising it’s value right now. I guess the bit rarer Charizard cards in general can be a good catch for investment too.

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Indeed, can’t go wrong with Charizard. I think you can count the ‘low value’ Zards on one hand. With Nintendo keeping him in the picture in S&M with Kiawe (spelling?) I think the future will bring u another memorabele card (which will never gain value due being overpriced)

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Charizards, especially base set ones, in PSA 9 or 10 because…Charizard and nostalgia. :blush:

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Safe(Pretty much guaranteed), but not the fastest investment: WOTC sealed product

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PSA 10 first ed base non-holo cards. Some of these cards are just so cheap. Seel is like a $50 card despite being an uncommon. Things like Caterpie have a relatively low population are going to limit how many complete sets can be put together and it’s still only a $100 card.

Since they are so cheap, you can diversify your investment more too. For the price of one PSA 10 gold star you can pick up 5-10+ cheap 1st ed base non holo cards (depends on the gold star). Because these cards are relatively cheap and have high potential (just look at something like Lass or Wartortle) your overall return on investment has the potential to be very high. If 5 years from now, Caterpie is only a $200 card, you’ve already doubled what you put into it.

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I don’t invest in Pokémon.

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I think PSA 9’s, unlimited, and Japanese versions of cards are really underrated compared to English PSA 10.

For example, some Japanese PSA 10 crystals and Gold stars are still about $100. Personally I’ll take that all day instead of a PSA 10 1st edition base caterpie

Thanks for the awesome giveaway!

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If you are looking to invest in Pokemon cards you need to look at the three main factors of what makes a card valuable - scarcity, rarity and demand. There is also the additional factor of the item having a story around it (like trophy cards for example). Furthermore, as fake or “custom” cards are becoming more and more realistic, having cards of high value PSA graded it now a necessity as not only does it increase the price if it gets a good grade but it also validates it’s authenticity.

As for specific cards which meet the criteria of the three main factors, I would say these types of cards are what I believe are the best to invest in if that is what you are looking to do:

  • Gold Stars
  • Shining Cards (Excluding Shining Legends)
  • First Edition Shadowless Base Set
  • Trophy Cards and alike
  • Signed Cards (e.g Mitsuhiro Arita) (PSA authentication is a must)
  • Obscure Japanese Promos (University Magikarp, Japanese Snap Promos, etc)
  • Crystal Cards
  • Old Sealed Booster Boxes

Over the years I believe that these will rise in value due to demand increasing and supply decreasing. Don’t try to invest in new cards (like if you pull a Hyper Rare Charizard the best thing to do is sell it as quick as you can because the price is only going to decrease over time due to so many of them being printed).

Thanks for doing this giveaway by the way.

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Now I don’t really invest in pokemon at all i just hope my collection holds the same value as what I put in so I’m probably not going to win with this advice but If I was going to invest it would be into any of the following 3 -

1st ed base - boxes, psa 7-10 holos, psa 9-10 non holos complete sets. No explanation needed really this will always be the iconic and most expensive set of the hobby and if other things go up the price of this set will adjust to reflect that.

EX series - boxes, psa 10s of ex cards and complete sets. I say this because we have seen with early WOTC product that one by one the boxes and PSA 10s have started to shoot up and the knock on effect has been passed on so to speak so the next rise makes sense to be from here.

Lower tier Gold stars - I know these are also ex series but they deserve their own mention. As we have seen with charizard and rayquaza some stars have had a meteoric rise recently and the others will slowly but surely follow suit. The cheaper stars people will start picking up, drying up the supply whilst still maintaining a demand that they have had for years at this point and so the price rises. Buying ray or zard seems pointless at the moment as they are hitting very high prices but I feel you could make more off owning several lower-mid tier stars over the single big hitter.

Tbh it’s quite hard not to bang on about the same thing as everyone else :joy: best of luck to everyone and thanks for hosting this giveaway!

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I think a low key great investment aside from the obvious 1st ed base etc is the bw series. Overall low print with highly sought after and innovative cards! Thanks for the awesome giveaway

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I personally think 1st Ed. Gym Challenge and Gym Heroes have some absolutely beautiful holo cards and are undervalued booster boxes, you can get both for close to $3k

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Many thanks for the answers guys!

Have updated selection criteria to confirm that the winner will be randomly selected. It’s the spirit of sharing, rather than quality. Besides, it’s hard to determine quality when many answers are just as valid.

Have also brought forward the deadline to 10 November as I’m flying overseas for work + answers slowing down.

Good luck and hopefully we’ll see a few more answers!

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The more I think about, really most cards that people on this forum buy will go up in value over time (since the type of people on this forum tend to be knowable and in it for the long haul as apposed to short term flippers). It is only a question of how much it it will appreciate over how many years. It just kind of hit me that the Pokemon secondary market as a whole is in a very positive outlook and a has a nice growth rate (as in the whole market tends to be going up in both demand and thus value). I wonder how long this bull market will last before it evens out to a slower more stable increase.

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I say worlds championship trophy cards.

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Pikachus! Ok, jk… Pikachus are overall overpriced, and although I can see some increase in value, most of the semi-rare ones only drop in value lately (Event Organizer stamped Pikachu, 102/DP-P Pikachu, Pokémon With YOU Wagon promo, etc.)

I’m definitely not the right person to ask this to, but I’d probably invest in 1st edition WotC booster packs, especially Base. There are only so many booster boxes left, and although a lot of people let it stay sealed (duhh… it’s over 50k right now), there are also those who open it in search of the Charizards and other Gem-Mint holos, so booster packs will become rarer over time.

PSA-9 WotC cards might also be a nice investment, in case the PSA-10 really start to be unobtainable for the average collector, which actually already is the case when we look at the 20k price of Charizard…

Greetz,
Quuador