It’s like a sweet smell, doesn’t smell good. Could be that for sure.
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You literally have no clue what you’re talking about, but thanks for the concern.
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If I was cleaning cards and grading them or “flipping” them as you say, then I wouldn’t say anything.
It’s important for people to read this thread and and see from someone who’s tried it that the product sucks and doesn’t actually remove scratches etc.
But it also doesn’t make the card disintegrate in time as it can do with humidity treatments.
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On topic : haha scumbag scammer gets cucked by PSA
Of topic : Theres some really cute HGSS cards with that celebi shrine btw. You just made me remember them 
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I have been really going against these card cleaners on Instagram and Youtube and they keep claiming “they do nothing wrong” and that it is “all within what is allowed by PSA”. I will continue to report every slab I see that one of these card cleaners claim to have a better grade after cleaning and resubmission.
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Aka psa doesnt catch it 100% of the time
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May as well say who it is. No point hiding it
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psa from my understanding doesnt flag accounts nor should they
reason being many people buy cards altered without knowing and submit for grading. It’s especially prominent in sports where alterations are more likely especially for vintage. People will do 80+ card submissions and have them all come back altered and then report on forums that they bought all the cards from someone they thought was trusted. But who knows maybe they were fooled as well.
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I should say “flag accounts”
apparently they do flag cards because; according to a former psa grader, they are able to track if the same cards keep getting submitted and if the card grades higher on a resub they knock the grader who originally gave the lower scores. so they have some sort of digital thumbprint for the cards
But from my understanding they wont flag an account that subs altered cards. In fact a lot of people submit flat out fake cards that they obtain through card shows or online with no idea that the card they submit is a fake. Not fair to flag their account as it may introduce a grading bias toward future subs that isnt warranted
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Where are these videos? Please share them as I haven’t seen any that actually show there is actual fraud going on systemically inside the companies.
Altering cards has been going on since the beginning of time in the card scene.
For example, sports cards from the early 1900s that were in the gum packets are frequently literally soaked in liquid to remove gum stains - and a lot of these have been graded and held in PSA/BGS slabs, often decades.
It’s not right to trick buyers into buying altered/repaired cards of course, but the grading companies likely don’t really care as in many cases it doesn’t seem to affect the cards even long term. This varies by card of course, we’ve seen examples where ex cards wrinkle massively if humidity treated.
Paintings, coins etc are frequently cleaned and graded. People pay very good $$$ for this to be done actually. It’s not as taboo as trading cards, particularly pokemon.
It’s just, now, sadly part of the hobby at this point and buyers need to go into it with healthy awareness and acknowledge of risks.
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They do ban accounts, they have already confirmed this.
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The rate of card altering in pokemon 10+ years ago was negligible to non-existent. The financial incentive wasn’t there, mint supply was higher, everything was less liquid. Some quick examples, PSA 10 1st ed base charizard was 5-20k, which was the highest outside of trophies. PSA 10 Japanese Rayquaza was $150-200, and barely selling. I remember even later on PSA 10 scream Pikachu going for $100-200. Also the community was so small you knew who graded what.
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This has been covered ad nauseum on the forum before. I truly don’t think this is a fair comparison; cleaning (and preserving) a 1000 year old coin that there are a couple of examples of or an artwork like the Mona Lisa is the not the same as trying to boost the grade on your Umbreon or Charizord in hopes of selling it for more money. And I’d wager a guess that an exceedingly small number of people are cleaning/polishing Pokemon cards solely for their own enjoyment of the artificially attained aesthetics.
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Are we calling these cards “repaired” now?
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Well thats probably then for serious offenses
If the same account resubs a 10k+ altered card more than once thats likely grounds of termination
But if your subbing a 50 dollar card and they mark it as colored they arnt going to flag or ban your account
Likewise if all your cards in a sub come as polished and do it more than once probably same thing. But for the most part they dont as confirmed on a popular sports card forum.
Its extremely common is sports for them not to grade your vintage for various reasons and a lot of times the cards will come back but nothing seems to happen to their accounts as the next sub is filled with psa 10s
So they are looking for very specific things within accounts to escalate it to this level
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Im just describing what they do as i dont have this issue and dont get back anything as altered
Im just saying i know for a fact most of the time they dont punish the account
And i think they have to be somewhat reasonable here. Even watching some videos like a fairly famous one where the submitter grades the same card with all the major grading companies to compare how they grade, all of them grade the card except for psa where is comes back as altered. So the card started off as being graded and authenticated and u resub to a different card company. Is that fair for your account to be flagged or terminated?
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Hes already banned anyways i believe
Or at least stuff he got graded the certs were pulled
So he knows his chemicals arnt allowed
He sells it though showing how he can improve grades so yes psa should go after him legally if they can as he still does this but now hides the certs
If he’s just selling his stuff for peoples PC i guess they can so whatever they want, heck some people cut their cards into pieces to make 3d art pieces with them but when it comes to authentication for grading (which is the main selling point of his products) i dunno how he hasnt been taken to court yet
Also, psa has new terms and technically they have the right to go after you as you are agreeing to the new terms when you submit
But i guess my larger point is for us to take it easy here as there are a lot of innocent people who are not that knowledgeable and just buy cards that look nice. So there should always be some leeway
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Im more saying that outside of Pokemon it’s been going on a lot longer (decades) - in sports it’s practically a given, also for vintage comics. Didnt CGC Comics even offer pressing or something as service?
I’m not condoning it, and do hope grading companies do get better at detecting it - but I doubt they will as by now too many altered cards are slabbed.
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