PSA: PSA currently not grading Art Academy cards

[smpratte]

Recently Steve Sloan put out a statement PSA was processing 40,000 cards a day. From a quick glance, it looks like there are less than 1,000 Art Academy cards graded. The total amount graded over 6 years is 15-30 minutes of PSA’s daily cards processed. From a strictly numbers perspective, it makes sense to just shut down a small category that is causing issues. The specific reasons they mentioned were winners complaining, and a general worry about Pokemon.

[pichufan]

@augustdifirenze

@smpratte

I was told they weren’t going to deactivate certs. Perhaps the Illustrators removed were confirmed regrades?

26183731, 25335281, 45563351, and 53535173 are all deactivated now, so there doesn’t seem to a strong pattern between the deactivated copies.

Interestingly these haven’t been removed from the pop report itself (www.psacard.com/pop/tcg-cards/1998/pokemon-japanese-promo/79839), which still claims 23 have been graded. I assume for now this is very much a temporary decision, but it is an interesting one considering that 25XX cert copy was probably graded at least 4 years ago.

[jawsh98]

@serpintaxt

This whole thread is why NFT’s inherent provenance has a huge leg up on other traditional collectibles.

Extra copies? You know exactly how many “extra copies” there are on the block chain. There’s no subjectiveness. There’s no need for an independent party to even prove that it’s authentic. It just is. and anyone can go see that

This objective layer in collectibles is super frustrating at times (but equally fun as it’s a part of the game). Just wanted to show some insight from the NFT side of the collectibles world on how this is a non-issue there and a feature of NFTs.

I enjoyed the crypto jump in, haha! I am sure you’ll be right down the road, but lets see what these monkey pictures go for in 6-8 months.

[qwachansey]

Let’s keep this thread on topic no crypto please

Did PSA say anything about the 2009/2010 art contests or was the conversation around the 2015 Art Academies only?

[greenshoots]

It’s hard to understand what rights the artists think they have to these cards beyond those specific cards which were physically issued to them. They don’t own the characters they drew, they don’t own the TCG, and the cards themselves only have value due to their scarcity. Unless there was an instance of cards being physically stolen from the individuals they were issued to, the idea of getting upset over extra copies is a very hard position to sympathise with. The value was not in the artwork - getting 100 copies of these valuable cards should be compensation enough

[swolepoke]

Feels like it was just yesterday when PSA damaged an ”extra” AA Kyogre card I sent in…. To then having them pay me out for that damage lol

Good times, good times

[smpratte]

@pichufan

@augustdifirenze

26183731, 25335281, 45563351, and 53535173 are all deactivated now, so there doesn’t seem to a strong pattern between the deactivated copies.

Interestingly these haven’t been removed from the pop report itself (www.psacard.com/pop/tcg-cards/1998/pokemon-japanese-promo/79839), which still claims 23 have been graded. I assume for now this is very much a temporary decision, but it is an interesting one considering that 25XX cert copy was probably graded at least 4 years ago.

I was told they didn’t have plans to remove any cards from the pop, Art Academy included. I don’t know what to make of the few illustrator certs not working.

[effectspore]

@smpratte

@pichufan

Interestingly these haven’t been removed from the pop report itself (www.psacard.com/pop/tcg-cards/1998/pokemon-japanese-promo/79839), which still claims 23 have been graded. I assume for now this is very much a temporary decision, but it is an interesting one considering that 25XX cert copy was probably graded at least 4 years ago.

I was told they didn’t have plans to remove any cards from the pop, Art Academy included. I don’t know what to make of the few illustrator certs not working.

Probably deactivating all the certs the artist didn’t submit themselves

[smpratte]

I didn’t want to come off as harsh before, but the winners whining are entitled brats. The most prolific artists in Pokemon don’t own the rights. Arita doesn’t whine because they reprinted his charizard art in celebrations. Or cry because he can’t reproduce and sell his Pokemon art for money. Also, the AA winners were given more copies than actual pokemon artists…

I have zero sympathy for any artist complaining. They are completely in the wrong and their petulance has made it almost impossible to grade any AA cards.

[pokemonunboxing]

@anon83099482

Want to get in and say, before anyone starts reaching out to AA artists, the ones you can reach publicly aren’t the issue.

Gosha (Tangrowth) and Meli (Chef Pikachu) are the two artists who are members of the Pokemon community, and have both been active in selling some of their copies, as well as having copies graded with PSA.

I also talked to lily-chan / scarlett / Meli and they did not understand what was happening. It seems to me like most of the complaining is from the Kyogre winner. To me it has always looked like Mireil hates both Pokemon and the card. I think the whole situation is annoying since I had two AA cards ready for grading

[enigma]

Is there specific records and documentation of multiple winners complaining? If there is, could anyone link it or share it here?

[goldstarlugia]

Why would PSA take the opinion of someone who isn’t even involved in the community so highly to the point that they won’t grade an entire subset of prize cards? I think it’s even more bizarre that this is potentially going to overlap into other trophy cards like the illustrator.

These aren’t world series rings. There isn’t any distinction between copy 1-100 and extra distributor copy 200. If it matters that much, then just add a pedigree to the cards that are verified winners copies, but why would you turn away the other copies when they are every bit as authentic…

[effectspore]

@enigma

Is there specific records and documentation of multiple winners complaining? If there is, could anyone link it or share it here?

I think the Kyogre artist was upset

[enigma]

@effectspore

@enigma

Is there specific records and documentation of multiple winners complaining? If there is, could anyone link it or share it here?

I think the Kyogre artist was upset

Anyone other than the Kyogre artist though?

This thread is starting to throw ad hominem attacks at multiple AA artists without proof or focus. We only have the name of one AA artist on record complaining, so to attack multiple artists without both proof of their complaining and proof of them actually affecting PSA’s decision is disrespectful and VERY childish. Heck, unless information was held back from this thread, it hasn’t even been confirmed by PSA that their decision was based on complaints received by one or more artists. I get many here are angry with PSA and need somewhere to direct that anger, but I don’t think it should be directed at the artists unless there is clean evidence they were the driving force behind the decision.

Even if we have evidence of multiple artists complaining. Can we prove multiple artists have contacted PSA and complained about their cards being graded? And can we prove those complaints led to this decision? If yes and yes, by all means continue, I say. But if the answer to either question is no, attacking the AA artists is not the move. They all might not even be aware of what’s going on.

[effectspore]

@enigma

@effectspore

I think the Kyogre artist was upset

Anyone other than the Kyogre artist though?

This thread is starting to throw ad hominem attacks at multiple AA artists without proof or focus. We only have the name of one AA artist on record complaining, so to attack multiple artists without both proof of their complaining and proof of them actually affecting PSA’s decision is disrespectful and VERY childish. Heck, unless information was held back from this thread, it hasn’t even been confirmed by PSA that their decision was based on complaints received by one or more artists. I get many here are angry with PSA and need somewhere to direct that anger, but I don’t think it should be directed at the artists unless there is clean evidence they were the driving force behind the decision.

Even if we have evidence of multiple artists complaining. Can we prove multiple artists have contacted PSA and complained about their cards being graded? And can we prove those complaints led to this decision? If yes and yes, by all means continue, I say. But if the answer to either question is no, attacking the AA artists is not the move. They all might not even be aware of what’s going on.

I heard someone in the Discord bought one from an artist and then flipped it right away, which the artist didn’t appreciate

[smpratte]

@enigma

@effectspore

I think the Kyogre artist was upset

Anyone other than the Kyogre artist though?

This thread is starting to throw ad hominem attacks at multiple AA artists without proof or focus. We only have the name of one AA artist on record complaining, so to attack multiple artists without both proof of their complaining and proof of them actually affecting PSA’s decision is disrespectful and VERY childish. Heck, unless information was held back from this thread, it hasn’t even been confirmed by PSA that their decision was based on complaints received by one or more artists. I get many here are angry with PSA and need somewhere to direct that anger, but I don’t think it should be directed at the artists unless there is clean evidence they were the driving force behind the decision.

Even if we have evidence of multiple artists complaining. Can we prove multiple artists have contacted PSA and complained about their cards being graded? And can we prove those complaints led to this decision? If yes and yes, by all means continue, I say. But if the answer to either question is no, attacking the AA artists is not the move. They all might not even be aware of what’s going on.

Yes Psa named the artists who were complaining. It wasn’t just the kyogre artist. It wasn’t just one instance. PSA stated the complaints were one of the main factors for their decision. Also most people involved in the community already knew which artists complained.

[pfm]

Something pretty tangential to the topic but I feel compelled to point it out because I’ve seen it said a few times on the forum recently.
Someone being mean or making improper accusations is not an “ad hominem”. An ad hominem is a fallacy where someone simply presents and insult as an argument.
“Multiple art academy winners are crybabies and probably insisted PSA should stop grading the cards”
This is not an inherently fallacious statement. It may be false or based on an unsupported claim (but if you believe what smpratte says about his conversation with PSA, it’s not) but it’s a logically valid, at least with respect to ad hominems.
“I think PSA should start grading AA cards again”“I don’t think they should because you’re ugly”
This is an ad hominem. The response is just an insult that has nothing to do with the topic presented as an argument.
I fully support the members of this forum being challenged when there is what seems to be a lack of evidence, but the improper use of “ad hominem” is like a trigger for me. I know it’s super pedantic but I felt compelled to write this after seeing it a couple of times on e4.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk

[lolzicost]

@enigma

@effectspore

I think the Kyogre artist was upset

Anyone other than the Kyogre artist though?

This thread is starting to throw ad hominem attacks at multiple AA artists without proof or focus. We only have the name of one AA artist on record complaining, so to attack multiple artists without both proof of their complaining and proof of them actually affecting PSA’s decision is disrespectful and VERY childish. Heck, unless information was held back from this thread, it hasn’t even been confirmed by PSA that their decision was based on complaints received by one or more artists. I get many here are angry with PSA and need somewhere to direct that anger, but I don’t think it should be directed at the artists unless there is clean evidence they were the driving force behind the decision.

Even if we have evidence of multiple artists complaining. Can we prove multiple artists have contacted PSA and complained about their cards being graded? And can we prove those complaints led to this decision? If yes and yes, by all means continue, I say. But if the answer to either question is no, attacking the AA artists is not the move. They all might not even be aware of what’s going on.

Pretty ironic coming from you, in another thread you literally psychoanalyzed & generalized an entire subgroup of Pokemon collectors. With accusations of gatekeeping, & " childhood piss-measuring contests" etc with zero evidence of such behavior.

[kingboo64]

@effectspore

@enigma

Is there specific records and documentation of multiple winners complaining? If there is, could anyone link it or share it here?

I think the Kyogre artist was upset

Too bad bc the kyogre looks so good

[effectspore]

@lolzicost

@enigma

Anyone other than the Kyogre artist though?

This thread is starting to throw ad hominem attacks at multiple AA artists without proof or focus. We only have the name of one AA artist on record complaining, so to attack multiple artists without both proof of their complaining and proof of them actually affecting PSA’s decision is disrespectful and VERY childish. Heck, unless information was held back from this thread, it hasn’t even been confirmed by PSA that their decision was based on complaints received by one or more artists. I get many here are angry with PSA and need somewhere to direct that anger, but I don’t think it should be directed at the artists unless there is clean evidence they were the driving force behind the decision.

Even if we have evidence of multiple artists complaining. Can we prove multiple artists have contacted PSA and complained about their cards being graded? And can we prove those complaints led to this decision? If yes and yes, by all means continue, I say. But if the answer to either question is no, attacking the AA artists is not the move. They all might not even be aware of what’s going on.

Pretty ironic coming from you, in another thread you literally psychoanalyzed & generalized an entire subgroup of Pokemon collectors. With accusations of gatekeeping, & " childhood piss-measuring contests" etc with zero evidence of such behavior.

Bruh go outside and touch some grass