What is deceitful about it? Are you saying resending multiple times is, or the act of cracking it is in itself deceitful (even if you don’t resend)?
Deceitful? Care to elaborate? Grading is completely subjective. Plain and simple. These are humans grading these cards, not robots. If somebody wants to resub a card they feel was incorrectly graded, that is their choice. There is nothing deceitful about doing that in my opinion. Now I personally would never crack a 9 to try to get a 10, but if somebody wants to do that I certainly wouldn’t think they are deceiving anyone by doing so. I had a card come back a 5 that was, in my opinion, much better than a 5. So I sent it back. It came back a 7 this time just as I expected. It deserved better than a 5. I really don’t see anything deceitful about this practice…
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So I deserve my card to be misgraded? I deserve to lose out on money because PSA didn’t do their job correctly and will not take responsibility for it? Speaking of cracking, I recall you stating you cracked a clefable card, so that is a nice bit of hypocrisy from your end on that one. I agree with you on a ton Gary, but that statement is really beneath you man.
To get this back on course, here is the ultimate answer: There is no proof PSA damaged the card. There is also nothing you can do since the card was cracked out of the case. Therefore saying over and over again that PSA did not do their job not only is unprovable, it has no actual objective basis.
The choices that remain:
- Submit for review
- Don’t submit for review
- Don’t use PSA anymore
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I’ve done nothing but respond with my experience and photos of the card back in my possession and let everyone know the process that I’ve gone through.
The burden of proof here is simply not something that can be proven, but all I can say is that it is my honest accounting of the events and users can think and do with it what they will. If anyone has anymore questions regarding this I’ll respond to private messages but I’ll no longer comment on the matter as it is something that the community obviously doesn’t want to hear anything more about 
Exactly! I think that is all anyone can echo at this point. The intention of my post was to highlight a claim requires evidence. No outsider should blindly agree that any company damaged anything without actual proof. Unfortunately because of how things played out, we will never know.
Regardless, moving forward, do what is best for you!
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Gary, What did you call me?
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It’s irrelevant whose fault it is. Ultimately there’s not anything that can be done. PSA performed as was resonably expected and no process can be established to even begin a remedy to the complaint. Best to just move on.
This kinda annoyed me - you are the one that took the risk by cracking. What you’re basically saying is you want a upside only situation (less grading fee)
The day crackers send their psa 10s to be reviewed because they don’t deserve it is the day I’ll stand by a cracker.
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I mean we all have psa 9’s that could easily be 10’s… Would you still stand by this if you were certain your card was a 10 and you sent it in for a review once or twice and it still came back a 9? Would you just take the loss or take the gamble?
I keep a list of deceitful crackers and will be careful to trade/buy from one.
Why?
There can be mistakes but those mistakes can ONLY be overgrades.
When a guy grades, every card starts as a 10. He has to see a problem to dock it. If you have a 9 (or less) IT DESERVED IT because the grader spotted a defect. They won’t see things that aren’t there.
Now overgrades, yes. The grader might miss something and not dock it. This is what crackers hope for when they resubmit. Who would want to deal with that type of person?
Re Clefable…I never cracked one.
Out of 10000 cards I’ve reviewed one cause it was a typo.
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Read my comment above.
Can we please lock this thread?
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Yup.
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