@jcincy101, I’d accept the return and never sell to you again. Is that immature of me?
I don’t have the patience to cater to individuals who want to scrutinize and cause me more work. It has nothing to do with you and everything to do with there’s people out there that are less of a problem I’d rather work with.
Honestly I do not like the returning a card because you disagree with PSA’s assessment of it. In my opinion that should be taken up with PSA. Now, whether or not they pay fairly I have no idea, but in theory I believe it should fall on them…unless the seller was hiding condition
Also just curious if this a low cert with like a 2, or a new cert with a 4.
The cert number isn’t on the back, meaning that this is oooold. Like in the 1s probably lol
I believe the second barcode on the back was introduced late 2015/early 2016 and at around Cert #2.5
Gotcha, from the tiny part of the cert not blurred out on the front I thought I could make out a 1 from it which is why I’m assuming it’s that old/in that range
I had a long and candid discussion with a paypal rep over this. I did not and will not have to lie at all because the case is ultimately decided by value. The card is most certainly not worth what I had paid and even if PSA sided with me they value the card only at $2500, which is less than what I paid. There is a finite definition for a PSA 10 Gem Mint and the card does not meet those definitions. How it ended up with a psa 10 label, whether that be overgrading, tampering, or otherwise is not my problem as explained by the paypal rep. This is ultimately the protection I pay for by choosing goods and services over friends and family.
To answer some other questions:yes it is a very old cert in the 1XXXXXXXs. I did not ask for pictures because I have bought from this seller before without issues. Also, some other sellers on here seemed to express their extreme discontent with asking for pictures. Since I’m not someone who distinguishes between strong/weak grades in the first place I figured the PSA grade should be sufficient. To be 100% clear, this is a max PSA 8 condition card considering the poor corner conditions. That’s not accounting for what I think is mold (not sure what else that white spot would be).
I’m pretty sickened by the responses on this thread as well, as noted by jcincy101. People on here as sellers: You pay for the grade, not the card. The same people on here as buyers: Buy the card, not the grade.
Nobody has discontent with asking for pictures. It’s EXTRA pictures that most people don’t waste their time with.
It’s very easy to keep up with this, as a seller I have a massive pool of people to buy from. I’m not going to choose to sell to someone who is more of a hassle and wastes more of my time when I can instead sell to someone who is happy with the purchase.
Asking for extra images (beyond the front and back image) is a practice OFTEN done by people that are more hassle than the common buying pool. It’s a correlation issue, it’s not asking for images that people have a problem with, it’s that 99% of the time they’re the worst buyers/they don’t buy.
Not doing your own due diligence before handing over money, like we’re seeing now, is a hassle many sellers don’t want.
If you do things that cause me more problems than a common buyer I don’t want to deal with you as a seller. If you’re not doing things that cause more problems for me as a seller I do want to do business with you. If you can understand that you should have no problems opperating as a buyer.
I would return the card personally. When you are talking about thousands of dollars for a card you can’t worry about hurting the sellers feelings. It’s a part of doing business…Potentially offer to pay the PayPal fees on the return as a compromise? Idk it’s definitely a tough situation. There is a PSA 9 on eBay for 750 that is in better shape so why pay x4 for a card because you got a PSA 8 in a 10 case.
Let’s try this again: there weren’t NO pictures. There was a picture of a the front and and a not very good back picture (both were against white backgrounds). There was also a fairly low resolution video against a white background. So by your logic, this would still be a nuisance since it’s be extra pictures. You’re ASSUMING there was due diligence with disclosure when there wasn’t. And I was ASSUMING it wasnt overgraded so there probably wasn’t a need to ask for more photos.
This is a two way street as a buyer and seller. I don’t want to have to ask you to disclose every flaw. It’s a hassle for me too. But if there are distinct problems and you don’t disclose them as a seller, I’d say that’s on you.
@cullers , how would you sell that card? Would you disclose that it’s overgraded? Disclosing that the card is overgraded would have saved hassle for both the seller and buyer. I think that’s the most appropriate solution when there’s a blatant misgrade (+/- 2 or more grades).
Considering you’ve made a thread where you say you’re not happy with the grade of a card you are the person I don’t like selling to. So yes asking or more pictures would have been a no from me, unless they were blurry or something ligitimate.
@charizandrew I’d sell it like I sell all my cards, there’d be a photo of the front and back. I’m not convinced this card is overgraded either. If it was PSA wouldn’t be able to say it’s a 10 when asked for a review.
Nobody wants to say that it’s a weak 10, but it very well could just be a weak 10. It’s a boarderline card and maybe I would want a different card, but we’re talking about subjective grading that without the card in hand I don’t know. To put it another way, when you see some top members of the hobby look at this card and post that they don’t think PSA would grant it a regrade, it’s because we know it might be within the parameters.
“How To Scare Everyone Away From Selling To You, The Thread”
A short shorty written by xDarkFenixX.
wow look at us. who woulda thunk?
Flip it without pics of the back, it’s the right thing to do
When buying high end items i always ask for good pics. Thanks @minorkey for teaching me that 
I actually bought a psa 10 1st ed Shining Mewtwo from Graded Power a few months ago. They only had one pic of the card so I asked for additional photos. They sent 10 good photos and the card was pristine. Anyway, when I got the card they had actually sent me pics of the wrong one and the one I received had whitening on the back. I was bummed as I thought I was buying a different card.
They said that if they had a replacement they could have swapped it but they actually sold the other one they sent me pics of. So I’m just keeping this one until I find a replacement I’m happy with and then I’ll sell it.
Remind me not to buy from anyone on this forum. Whoever sold you that card in spite of it clearly not being gem mint is at fault. Not PSA. The seller. The seller should be who takes it up with PSA. Not the buyer. The seller shouldn’t sell it to begin with. Who here really wants that card on the market? I sure don’t. Get real. None of you on here would accept that as a gem mint in your personal collection.
It’s one thing to vent and debate, but don’t burn your bridges with others over this.
I was mimicking what was said earlier about remind me not to sell to you. That card shouldn’t be on the market. I don’t want to buy from anyone who thinks that card should have been sold. Like I get if its a $30 card. That card is a couple thousand so theres no way that the card just slipped through the cracks. And I’m also not convinced that online pics would disclose that fully either even if the buyer had asked for more pics. Now that it’s happened buyer should learn from it and go PSA route. But I whole-heartedly disagree with anyone justifying a seller selling that card or acting like it’s a problem the buyer doesn’t know what to do and is thinking about a return.
