Is this Gold Star Rayquaza UK Print?

Like the title says , just saw a seller saying this is a UK print but I don’t think it is. I have seen UK prints with better quality in rays outline around the bottom of his body and deeper colouring.

I could be wrong but if anyone has better insight on this and could let me know would like to read what you think.

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No, it is not.

UK PRINT

US PRINT

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I thought it wasn’t and thank you for the information as well :folded_hands:t2:

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It’s not, but I’d also like to add that there’s no such thing as a “UK” print. The original term used was “EU” print, but even that isn’t entirely accurate. The original assumption was that this variant was printed or distributed only in the EU because it closely resembled foreign language copies. They share similar linework and saturation. But this is only an assumption. One that’s far from being correct.

The “EU” label is largely a misnomer that leads people to believe they were printed in the EU or the UK. As far as we’re aware, every English EX Deoxys pack was printed in the US. Including English International packs distrubted outside of North America. You can verify this by looking at the back of the booster packs where it’ll tell you where it was printed. Foreign language packs, like Italian, were made in Belgium.

There may be variants with EX Deoxys Gold Stars, but they have nothing to do with the EU or the UK.

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This is correct. EX Deoxys Booster Boxes meant to be sold in the EU/UK (or elsewhere) were manufactured in the U.S.

The most likely reason for the difference in color/saturation is that the same ink printers/settings that were used for the non-English language copies were also used for English cards printed for packs/boxes sold in the EU/UK.

An alternative explanation could be that later in the print run, the saturation/ink settings were changed for all EX Deoxys packs/boxes being sold, which may have included a small amount near the end of the print run in North America, the majority/all in the EU/UK, and all non-English language copies.

The truth is that nobody knows with certainty, but folks who opened English packs in the EU/UK have seen the difference in saturation. This is enough in my opinion to call it an “EU/UK” variant, but it’s not because it was printed in the EU/UK and it remains possible that these copies were distributed in smaller amounts in North America near the end of the local print run.

Thanks for mentioning this!

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An alternative explanation could be that later in the print run, the saturation/ink settings were changed for all EX Deoxys packs/boxes being sold

This is probably the most likely explanation, one that I’ve been leaning towards.

The truth is that nobody knows with certainty, but folks who opened English packs in the EU/UK have seen the difference in saturation. This is enough in my opinion to call it an “EU/UK” variant

It’s true that nobody knows with absolute certainly. However, I don’t think people between regions have been paying attention that closely at saturation and linework. Differences have been noticed, but most people have trouble telling the variants apart. It’s part of the reason why this thread was created. I can’t agree that it’s enough to call it the “EU/UK” variant.

International packs should contain these variants based on current theories. Take this Latios Gold Star for example. This was pulled out of an International pack, which was meant to be distributed in the EU/UK. And it was not the “EU/UK” variant. While it’s just one reference point, it’s enough to discredit the theory to me. Below is an “EU” copy for comparison.

It’s hard to draw conclusions because of how difficult it is to gather reference points (like pull videos). All we know is that variants exist within these Gold Stars.

Thanks for mentioning this!

No problem! This is a topic I’ve been looking more deeply into for about a year now. It’s nice to talk about it on e4.

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Thanks for sharing this!

I can’t imagine that TPCi distribution cared very much about what print run a booster box case came off of when shipping. If this was indeed an international pack, then it provides further evidence that not all boxes/packs destined for EU/UK were of the later/different print run.

Given that Pokemon was at a historic low in the mid-2000s, I see them scrapping together unsold product in North America for shipment overseas as entirely possible and reasonable. It’s also possible that multiple printers with slightly varying ink saturations were printing at the same time, and all of that product (containing North American and EU/UK variants) went overseas.

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@alleybro

Was this the Ray that PalleTown_Marketplace posted on IG?

I told him this wasn’t a UK print as well. The person was asking 26K for this “UK” print.

I sent him my copy that is a UK print

He didn’t respond…

Thank you for all this information, it’s really helpful to understand more about the variants of Gold stars out there :folded_hands:t2:

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Yes indeed !

I messaged them asap when it was confirmed to not be the variant thanks to @Dyl as they thought it was or was told so.

They took it down right away , surprised they didn’t message you back about it though they usually get back pretty quickly

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Whoa, the UK variant looks so much cleaner imo

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It really does look much better , it’s the more wanted if buyers know about the variants.

Makes sense why these variants go for more vs the US copies

I wonder is PSA will ever differentiate between the two in the future :thinking:

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I don’t think they will, and I hope they never do. The light is on Rayquaza here, but such a difference seems to exist for so many cards that if you do it for one, you have to do it for all of them, which is impossible

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