If those threads derail too quickly, what if as a general rule, all wtb threads get locked asap and the forum rules would state that any further information or offer for the request shall be requested via PM? Would that solve the issue?
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@hyruleguardian ,
Market price is changing every day. The purpose of buy threads isn’t to argue about prices, it’s so people can say what they’re looking to buy. If you have a card you want to sell to them, great. If you have a card you want to sell to them and their price is too low, offer your price to let your card go, or ignore the thread. Every. Single. Time. these buy threads get derailed. There’s already a new rule that people need to post at least 50 times before opening a buy thread. People have already asked if buy threads can be locked or moderated better to keep the derailing from happening. This is why. It’s the same shit happening in the other thread where someone put up a wtb 1st ed zard for 55k. Unnecessary.
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This one derailed quickly because of the OP uneducated scroll offer then when other tried to point out that his offer was in fact about 50% of where it should be at they said anything above $10k is absurd and well that’s where it broke loose. As others have pointed out $10k (the absurd number) isn’t anywhere close to a number those that own the card would accept.
I hear you. But if the community giving an OP helpful information isn’t allowed, then there’s really no reason for a thread to be allowed to remain open. As Brockoli said, you might as well just have a thread become instant-locked at that point, and all further communication can take place in PMs.
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@hyruleguardian, I don’t think it’s as helpful as some people seem to think it is. Everyone saying “your price is too low” and then arguing on what the price should be is not helpful. Someone with the card saying “ill sell you it for _______” IS helpful. I’ve said my piece though. Not going to take up any more of his thread. I know most people have good intentions but it rarely ends well for people’s buy threads.
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I know you said you’re done, but I wasn’t sure on your position. Are you in favor of an instant lock for buy threads? And if not, what would you say is the benefit of allowing the thread to remain open?
And yes, I feel bad about the fact that the conversation has hijacked someone’s buy thread too.
If you’d prefer not to respond, no worries.
I am, because people can still PM the person. The benefit and primary reason why instant locks can’t happen is because people wouldn’t be able to bump their buythreads and update them once a week.
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Got it, thanks.
I would suggest that under a system in which buy threads were automatically locked, people can simply create new buy threads after one week’s time. I don’t see the downside to this.
The buy section requires the most work. We have kicked around every solution, and they all lead to more work. We considered locking each thread, but that has to be done manually (more work), and it also eliminates the ability to bump/update.
On the bright side, the arguing over market value gets the thread more bumps/attention.
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Locking a thread instantly would create more work/clutter for the mods here, while also reducing usefulness of the buy section. People can change their wants and offer more as time goes on. Better than a million threads for small changes.
While on the other hand leaving it in the current state is less than ideal.
A better solution, imo, would be to limit the discussion of prices/last sales/etc to the price discussion section. And only have posts limited to possible sales (eg: pm me, mines for sale at xx, ebay links). Something that is productive in closing a deal. You are always welcome to pm the recent sales to educate them.
In any case when someone post something under market value they’re not going to get any bites. In an efficient market they’ll readjust and up the offer until they get something. Let price discovery happen naturally - there will be less debate and derailment of threads.
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You should add 50-100% on all these buy prices. Unfortunately most of the cards you are requesting are easily over these prices
Wow, that escalated quickly…
For the first part, thanks for pointing out that the sold 10s are actually not valid 10s because of the weak condition. I missed that, my mistake here.
While I run one of the biggest TCG online stores in Europe, I have mostly focused on sealed and modern stuff. As most of you probably got into the TCG after me, let me just tell you that I’ve been active since 1999 and I have collected for quite some time with my peak time being 2006-2009. I sold most of my private collection when I founded the business as I didn’t have the time anymore.
Early 2020 I decided I want to pick some of those memories back up and buy back some of the cards I had in my collection.
I saw quite some progress to that but the road felt really painful and frustrating. Why?
This thread illuminates it perfectly. The community back in these days was a lot smaller but everyone was really polite and reasonable. Now it feels like everyone and their grandma is up in here, trying to sell their crap at new records prices. This is wrong for so many reasons:
a) most people haven’t ever paid taxes on their “Pokemon money”
b) the greed is so strong…it’s not like people sell at what the last copy sold for - everyone just wants at least an extra 20%
c) if I was here to buy at eBay prices - well, I would just buy on eBay instead of going through the hassle of creating a new thread, starting conversations with potential seller, etc
To finish this up: if you are the kind of person I described above, please don’t even bother posting because I don’t even want to buy from you.
I’m happy to work something out with everyone being reasonable. And I don’t have anything against counter offers. But I HATE the greed I’m facing from sellers every day.
Last but not least I am happy to buy these cards and I may be flexible on some of those prices but I’m not desperate for these cards.
Just my 2 cents…
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Wanting more than what the last copy sold for = very greedyWanting to pay below ebay prices = totally reasonable
Maybe, just maybe, since you are coming here asking for someone to sell you something, you might actually have to make a convincing offer. This is not ebay, where people are looking to sell. You are asking a person to part with a piece in their collection that, in this case, they may never have an opportunity to replace. But somehow it’s greedy that people don’t want to part with such an item at the last sold price. Here’s a thought - if someone was happy with that price, there would be a copy available at that price right now. Meanwhile in reality, your offer is $5.5k under another live offer on this forum right now and even at that price, no one is apparently interested in selling.
But go on, continue to tell us how absurd these offers are and how greedy people are for not wanting to sell to you. Let me know how that works out
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There’s another 18-19 cards in his buy thread that aren’t the scroll though. It’s simple, if no one responds to the scroll, he’ll bump his price up or focus on other cards. That’s how wtb threads work without people being dicks.
Demanding that people put offers 20% higher than last sale price is another form of entitlement just like him claiming that people are being “greedy”. There’s some wiggle room for tolerance on both sides without buy threads always getting nasty. Just an opinion.
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Whats the point of this forum having wtb threads anymore. 90% of the time it becomes pages of people saying people should offer more then they do. And a lot of the time they offer higher then the last sold, but people want even higher. Or its a good offer people will still find something else to talk about
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You are either just baiting or not reading the same thread I am. The first post was a suggestion that the scroll price was too low, from someone that has a copy. The second post from the OP quotes the last ebay price and the suggestion that the number provided by the scroll owner is absurd. Then multiple other people, many who have a copy of the card in question, came in to explain why it was not absurd. Then you (ironically and seemingly unaware) derailed the thread with this conversation. Then the OP wrote a post implying anyone that didn’t like their price was greedy. And here we are.
Now imagine a version of this thread where the OP didn’t suggest that active offers were absurd and that people are greedy for not accepting their $5.5k lower offer. Imagine a thread where you didn’t throw in opinion unrelated to the sale of any item in this thread on every page. OP would have just changed their offer if they felt it necessary and we wouldn’t be here right now. But here we are.
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Thank you for proving you did not understand my point at all.
I am NOT asking anyone to sell below eBay sold listings. I just did research on the prices with the limited public resources there are (ebay.com, pokemonprice.com, PWCC).
Yes, I missed the fact the Masters Scroll was not 10 worthy and apologized for that. But if someone came to you asking $20k for a PSA 9 1st Ed Charizard that sold 14 days ago for $12k and 30 days ago for $11k how would you react?
The Charizard example is exactly what I mean with people being greedy. eBay sold listings is not enough, people want 20% more than that.
But please, continue to judge this thread based on the Master Scroll price because there are no other cards I offered on.
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If people were actually contributing valuable data, that would actually make sense. Like all these people claim Master Scroll is a lot more but noone actually provides sales history. Was the card actually sold for $15k or above?! No one tells you.
I know for sure this is my last thread on here. I tried to avoid eBay and give people my business here but it’s just a waste of time…
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Yeah I’m not even going to bother responding to pkm. I like him but this ended exactly how I said it would, another negative experience by someone simply looking to buy some cards, people being self righteous about why their “contribution” was somehow them being helpful, and how awful and wrong the person starting the thread is.
Yes, I made a stand on your thread, but only after reading the same tired bullshit on dozens and dozens of other wtb threads. It always ends the same way. Guess I’m just “baiting” by telling people to shut the fuck up about pricing unless they actually have a card they’re willing to sell.
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These threads would go so much better if people provided responses like
- I have the card will sell for x
- I have bought the card at price x at date y
- I have sold the card for price x at date y
- Here is some sale data on the card, sale price x and date y
- Other forum offers are y when your offering x
Then the buyer can use this to either review their offers or just keep them the same.
They shouldn’t be just you gotta offer more or critiquing a choice of words when English isn’t even his first language, or people just going at each other for no reason.
All you get is this shit over and over again
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