Graded Power Selling 1st Ed. Base Box

[pokebowl]

@zorloth

@pokebowl

It is 100% a Ponzi scheme and a pump and dump short/long term scheme. They are going to use the excuse of relying and “trusting” the blockchain network to manage/host whatever. By doing this they are removing themselves from the obligation of following certain rules in regards to tender offers, registrations, regulations, etc. Because The United States is just so beyond fu$&ed up to begin with right now and as of the last 4 years, the focus has entirely been shifted from forcing and pushing change at a government level for crypto and blockchain related ventures beyond their initial interference when ICOs and Binary Option Scams started depleting billions from people and destroying their finances and retirement funds.

The initial “flipping” mentality, once you start scaling your business model, you face multiple barriers to entry and red tape. The most important ones being LIQUIDITY as well as acquisition / sourcing of higher end and *actually* scarce goods. This is a problem that has plagued almost anybody on this board who both holds and deals in a substantial amount of transactional volume as well as total sales.

The solution? IOUs. Paper assets. If at any point you don’t ever need to physically own the asset because it is owned by many, those investing seek only to buy and sell their monetary contributions from such a platform. The money they raise and control can subsequently then be used to hedge against potential collapsing prices in the collectible market by investing/hedging into actual securities, futures, options, etc. In other words it becomes a pure game of speculation and gambling. Over/unders, predictions, etc.

So the human psychology and rational of anyone looking to run, operate and promote a Ponzi scheme, is that at no point someone loses. They just are able to leverage the fact they can use other people’s money to make A LOT of money (because their strategies worked a few times or their concept works on paper, etc.) by scaling these theories… enough to be able to pay people what they have seemingly been promised.

The only other factor that was missing, was understanding the volatility as well as the elasticity of the market. The factors that both influence it positively and negatively. The ins and outs. Which has been the last 6 weeks of shilling and market manipulation done by using social media / influencers to promote things (as to seem organic) while having vested interests in certain products or areas. Or by shilling bids just enough to lose auctions but create new breaking prices. Now that everyone has realized how “easy” this all is, it’s GAME TIME baby.

This is exactly the issue with collectible markets generally. There’s zero oversight or regulation – it’s basically the wild west. That means that there’s a lot of opportunity to profit, and a lot of opportunity to lose money, too. I’m not convinced that this whole ‘scheme’ is nearly as concrete and planned as you make it sound. That said, I think you’re recognizing something interesting. People need to stop with this “there’s no market manipulation” nonsense. That’s bullshit. It doesn’t mean that literally everything is manipulated – but there’s absolutely manipulation. And it goes way beyond simple auction/BiN shilling.

I’ve briefly covered things and as you can tell I purposely omit or cover words as to not index them online, but people don’t realise who the individuals and the puppets are and what both their agendas are as well as what they are capable of. This is the type of people who sat in boiler rooms in the early and mid 2000s soliciting old ladies to invest into bogus and junk ventures. Silver was the main one — you had dozens of them worldwide promising exactly this, an opportunity to invest early into what was assumed to be the next gold rush the next dot com boom.

I only know this because many individuals close to me or acquaintances got caught doing similar things. No one knew anything until it unfolded, but it made sense. It was all fun and games, rolexes and Porsche’s until US Marshalls escorted them south of the border to rot in cells for 10 years.

Where is the proof this box was purchased for 375k and purchased as recent as of October 20th? It sounds more like it was the box purchased a month ago, and it took a month to test a few things, and see if more buzz would be created. Timing was just all too convenient…

And nobody and I mean nobody and I’ve seen this article or news blast mentioned dozens of times between IG, FB and YT and here and no one read past the title? No one mentioned the very last line that talks about this new company they’re created and about this new IPO they launched to raise 125k for certain Pokémon cards? If you’re so confident and transparent in your dealings, why are we October 22nd, and I’ve seen no other news blasts, no mentions on your own social media’s? All I keep seeing is a bunch of STALLING and fake hype creating and extremely broad and ambiguous terms being used.

But it’s working isn’t it? Graded just listed a box for 450k no? For the longest time people accused certain individuals in this hobby of manipulating the market or engaging in shilling practices, but it was done so so casually and slowly. A lot of lubrification and patience and it worked. But it worked just enough that could be “tolerated” as far as the ambiguous things and market persuasions that exist in the collectibles, art and antiques world.

This is NO lube, not even being transparent about it or trying to cover things up.

Fun fact, many “new prices” we see on eBay are actually highly coordinated scams involving both buyers and sellers to commit mail insurance fraud as well as eBay fraud. Both the buyers and the sellers are in on it. These are transactions that have absolutely no care or vested interest in the market lol… just 2 scammers trying to capitalize on hot items that will go unnoticed in eBay’s anti fraud detection systems lol because of the influx and amount of volume engaging in the space right now.

Artificially pumping prices while those with vested interests don’t even need to do too much work anymore. There’s non paid actors doing all the work for them for free

[pokebowl]

@jakester18

@pokebowl

It is 100% a Ponzi scheme and a pump and dump short/long term scheme. They are going to use the excuse of relying and “trusting” the blockchain network to manage/host whatever. By doing this they are removing themselves from the obligation of following certain rules in regards to tender offers, registrations, regulations, etc. Because The United States is just so beyond fu$&ed up to begin with right now and as of the last 4 years, the focus has entirely been shifted from forcing and pushing change at a government level for crypto and blockchain related ventures beyond their initial interference when ICOs and Binary Option Scams started depleting billions from people and destroying their finances and retirement funds.

The initial “flipping” mentality, once you start scaling your business model, you face multiple barriers to entry and red tape. The most important ones being LIQUIDITY as well as acquisition / sourcing of higher end and *actually* scarce goods. This is a problem that has plagued almost anybody on this board who both holds and deals in a substantial amount of transactional volume as well as total sales.

The solution? IOUs. Paper assets. If at any point you don’t ever need to physically own the asset because it is owned by many, those investing seek only to buy and sell their monetary contributions from such a platform. The money they raise and control can subsequently then be used to hedge against potential collapsing prices in the collectible market by investing/hedging into actual securities, futures, options, etc. In other words it becomes a pure game of speculation and gambling. Over/unders, predictions, etc.

So the human psychology and rational of anyone looking to run, operate and promote a Ponzi scheme, is that at no point someone loses. They just are able to leverage the fact they can use other people’s money to make A LOT of money (because their strategies worked a few times or their concept works on paper, etc.) by scaling these theories… enough to be able to pay people what they have seemingly been promised.

The only other factor that was missing, was understanding the volatility as well as the elasticity of the market. The factors that both influence it positively and negatively. The ins and outs. Which has been the last 6 weeks of shilling and market manipulation done by using social media / influencers to promote things (as to seem organic) while having vested interests in certain products or areas. Or by shilling bids just enough to lose auctions but create new breaking prices. Now that everyone has realized how “easy” this all is, it’s GAME TIME baby.

@pokebowl, damn dude this is wild. So once they raise the $375k from seed investors, their equity will “grow” based off of future box sales prices? I feel like there is a limit for that eventually. And at what point do they sell?

Why sell? I gave an idea of a bit of a wild but not out of reach scenario for this “new way to box break”. But what I do know is this box wasn’t paid for and for 375k. And there is absolutely no fact checking required or obligated. If this guy was a somebody and not a somebody because he hired a guy like me for 100k to make sure I scrubbed off every bad thing about him online and manufactured a new social image for him, but was actually a somebody, you’d see a little more traction in regards to this big announcement.

It’s a paper asset, it’s like trading futures. The examples I was given in University that I won’t forget was the story of some Wall Street futures traders who forgot to CLOSE their transactions before the maturity of the contract. The contract was for "live hogs” so make pigs or whatever right… Wall Street trades or “bets” against their prediction of a future price for the price of these pigs. But if you don’t close the transaction before end of day on maturity, the underwriter technically owes you all those hogs. So the joke was he walked into work the next day and there was 100000s of live pigs outside in trucks being delivered by the farmers lol… it’s obviously a joke but the point is you’re trading and tracking paper assets.

This topic and idea of a hedge fund or a syndicated pooled investment fund or fractional ownership in things blabla has been pondered just on this board a dozen times over the time of its inception. The same problems and walls and red tape always come up and there is absolutely no way to either know and validate or actually acquire such a large position in certain highly sought after items. Long term you end up devaluing the items by treating them with such a corporate and institutional approach. If I owned every psa 10 1st Zard, it would ultimately make the Zard worthless.

I anticipate that they will manufacture some type of way to raise funds through an IPO / ICO of some sort to use the $ to legitimize their concepts and egos for themselves but also to use it to begin developing either a platform or increasing marketing expenditures etc.

And the shift will leave Pokemon which is what will command the retrace in certain prices and items. It’s a suckers pyramid scheme right now like an MLM I mentioned this somewhere else. IF YOU HAVE items that are seemingly currently HIGHLY SOUGHT AFTER and you could use the cash or you aren’t into it for too much, then SELL. Yes there will be another sale that will be HIGHER yes you will feel like you messed up and panic sold but I promise you there will come a time where the subsequent REAL sales will be lower and lower and lower until the TRUE bid and ask meet.

By shift out of Pokemon, people keep asking what is next what is the next hot topic or set or card that will pop off? If you are asking this question and the basis of it is in regards to the current increase in BASE and that specific group of new money and new entrants, then NO maybe a small % will learn to “expand” and develop their taste in the hobby enough to explore more areas, but the current trend I’m seeing is they are moving into OTHER grails across other collectible niches.

Things like what is considered MTG grails, YuGiOh grails, sneaker grails, watches grails, coins and currency grails to offset your risk with a more deversified and mature alt asset, etc. It’s already begun. So my anticipation is they will also chose to move into ALL these spaces and create a dissonance and confusion of overwhelming pieces of knowledge and information and choices choices choices this is all manipulation 101 behavioural and psychological manipulation.

[sgpokecollect]

Was the charizard paid for by logic? Yes
Has charizard historically priced at around 60-70% of a 1st base box? Yes
Is it reasonable to conclude that a box would therefore be valued at 375k? Yes

I completely agree that it’s easy to lie and say a txn is happening at 375k as a part of some elaborate price pumping scheme.

However, one can apply independent judgment to guesstimate if credible, and move on

Get used to it. More CGs will come and we will have to deal with a more opaque environment.

FYI I have a friend who is a crypto trader - he described it as a ponzi that’s all about pumping and dumping before the crash, those in the know taking money from those that are not. I’m not surprised that CG might be applying this approach to pokemon, we can see his attempts quite clearly during the Logan paul show. It’s intentional and just business for him.

That’s ok. As long as we know what they’re doing, we can run circles around them. He’s pumping it up? Great, liquidate that part of your collection and go into something else that’s relatively untouched.

[pokebowl]

@sgpokecollect

Was the charizard paid for by logic? Yes
Has charizard historically priced at around 60-70% of a 1st base box? Yes
Is it reasonable to conclude that a box would therefore be valued at 375k? Yes

I completely agree that it’s easy to lie and say a txn is happening at 375k as a part of some elaborate price pumping scheme.

However, one can apply independent judgment to guesstimate if credible, and move on

Get used to it. More CGs will come and we will have to deal with a more opaque environment.

FYI I have a friend who is a crypto trader - he described it as a ponzi that’s all about pumping and dumping before the crash, those in the know taking money from those that are not. I’m not surprised that CG might be applying this approach to pokemon, we can see his attempts quite clearly during the Logan paul show. It’s intentional and just business for him.

That’s ok. As long as we know what they’re doing, we can run circles around them. He’s pumping it up? Great, liquidate that part of your collection and go into something else that’s relatively untouched.

“ FYI I have a friend who is a crypto trader - he described it as a ponzi that’s all about pumping and dumping before the crash, those in the know taking money from those that are not”

Like do you realise what you’re saying here?

And who cares if Logic paid or not, maybe he overpaid maybe he didn’t? Maybe the box is actually at an EV closer to 375-400k maybe it isn’t, and the gap between box price and EV that always existed that has now been filled with the pump of everything else is actually retracing and those cards aren’t selling for “record breaking” prices anymore? From what I’m seeing they’re all selling for “record breaking lower than previous record breaking”

Point is the market will speak for itself eventually, and things will correct themselves eventually as well to go back to more sustainable levels in terms of volume and price fluctuations.

But what is the most concerning is that no one seems to realize or at least wants to admit the ease at which the market can be manipulated and how shills and scammers and fake pumping and agenda-driven actions are able to aimlessly push prices up, create false sense of scarcity and over state demand. And by default, if all this bears to be true, is no one genuinely concerned at how easily prices can be manipulated and shilled downwards? How easy it would be to socially engineer fear-induced sell offs and provide “documented” proof in the form of sold listings showing a tendency of regressing prices? There aren’t mutually exclusive events.

[sgpokecollect]

@pokebowl

@sgpokecollect

Was the charizard paid for by logic? Yes
Has charizard historically priced at around 60-70% of a 1st base box? Yes
Is it reasonable to conclude that a box would therefore be valued at 375k? Yes

I completely agree that it’s easy to lie and say a txn is happening at 375k as a part of some elaborate price pumping scheme.

However, one can apply independent judgment to guesstimate if credible, and move on

Get used to it. More CGs will come and we will have to deal with a more opaque environment.

FYI I have a friend who is a crypto trader - he described it as a ponzi that’s all about pumping and dumping before the crash, those in the know taking money from those that are not. I’m not surprised that CG might be applying this approach to pokemon, we can see his attempts quite clearly during the Logan paul show. It’s intentional and just business for him.

That’s ok. As long as we know what they’re doing, we can run circles around them. He’s pumping it up? Great, liquidate that part of your collection and go into something else that’s relatively untouched.

“ FYI I have a friend who is a crypto trader - he described it as a ponzi that’s all about pumping and dumping before the crash, those in the know taking money from those that are not”

Like do you realise what you’re saying here?

And who cares if Logic paid or not, maybe he overpaid maybe he didn’t? Maybe the box is actually at an EV closer to 375-400k maybe it isn’t, and the gap between box price and EV that always existed that has now been filled with the pump of everything else is actually retracing and those cards aren’t selling for “record breaking” prices anymore? From what I’m seeing they’re all selling for “record breaking lower than previous record breaking”

Point is the market will speak for itself eventually, and things will correct themselves eventually as well to go back to more sustainable levels in terms of volume and price fluctuations.

But what is the most concerning is that no one seems to realize or at least wants to admit the ease at which the market can be manipulated and how shills and scammers and fake pumping and agenda-driven actions are able to aimlessly push prices up, create false sense of scarcity and over state demand. And by default, if all this bears to be true, is no one genuinely concerned at how easily prices can be manipulated and shilled downwards? How easy it would be to socially engineer fear-induced sell offs and provide “documented” proof in the form of sold listings showing a tendency of regressing prices? There aren’t mutually exclusive events.

Can you stop the shilling? Can you stop the manipulating? Can you tell CG hey bro not cool plz stop?

I’m not denying its an issue, I’m just saying that is absolutely nothing you can do to stop human greed. As long as you can see it, you can work around it. The community has been shitting on him but guess what, money talks and he’s still out there buying and selling stuff.

Also, shilling upwards is far easier than shilling downwards. So no, I’m not as worried. U can try shilling downwards, tell me how u gna do it? sell a quarter of your collection below market? where do you get the supply to do that? buy at higher prices (thereby pushing prices up again) and then selling below market? The drop downwards would be more natural i.e. people burnt out or realizing its dumb to paid 1k for a jungle eevee. It will happen at some point as the psa supply comes in, especially for the non-holos.

The only option is to adapt. He’s pumping base? Fine, I sold all my unlimited base and used the proceeds to buy a 1st neo box at a reasonable price. I win.

[pokebowl]

@sgpokecollect

@pokebowl

“ FYI I have a friend who is a crypto trader - he described it as a ponzi that’s all about pumping and dumping before the crash, those in the know taking money from those that are not”

Like do you realise what you’re saying here?

And who cares if Logic paid or not, maybe he overpaid maybe he didn’t? Maybe the box is actually at an EV closer to 375-400k maybe it isn’t, and the gap between box price and EV that always existed that has now been filled with the pump of everything else is actually retracing and those cards aren’t selling for “record breaking” prices anymore? From what I’m seeing they’re all selling for “record breaking lower than previous record breaking”

Point is the market will speak for itself eventually, and things will correct themselves eventually as well to go back to more sustainable levels in terms of volume and price fluctuations.

But what is the most concerning is that no one seems to realize or at least wants to admit the ease at which the market can be manipulated and how shills and scammers and fake pumping and agenda-driven actions are able to aimlessly push prices up, create false sense of scarcity and over state demand. And by default, if all this bears to be true, is no one genuinely concerned at how easily prices can be manipulated and shilled downwards? How easy it would be to socially engineer fear-induced sell offs and provide “documented” proof in the form of sold listings showing a tendency of regressing prices? There aren’t mutually exclusive events.

Can you stop the shilling? Can you stop the manipulating? Can you tell CG hey bro not cool plz stop?

I’m not denying its an issue, I’m just saying that is absolutely nothing you can do to stop human greed. As long as you can see it, you can work around it.

Also, shilling upwards is far easier than shilling downwards. So no, I’m not as worried. U can try shilling downwards, tell me how u gna do it? sell a quarter of your collection below market? where do you get the supply to do that? buy at higher prices (thereby pushing prices up again) and then selling below market?

The only option is to adapt. He’s pumping base? Fine, I sold all my unlimited base and used the proceeds to buy a 1st neo box at a reasonable price. I win.

(1) find about a handful of medium-sized content creators / influencers who I can buy for cheap. Script and have them indirectly show why investing in Pokémon is whack and why buying ___ is 100x cooler and more fulfilling. “How I lost 10,000$ investing in Pokemon” (reverse titles), etc.

(2) buy smurf eBay accounts / dormant accounts —> write a script that will auto list a set of 5-10 items I want to ship downwards. Use varied pricing, different countries and geo locations, etc. Simultaneously but slowly use the other smurf eBay accounts I possess to buy these now newly listed cheap BINs.

(3) pay someone to make new content as to Pokémon cards declining

I’m sure if I put some thought into it and I loosened my moral compass to dance around more grey areas, I could come up with and execute a solid plan. I’d make sure to change the metadata on the pictures, I’d make sure to build up the eBay accounts being used selling bs singles and 1-5$ items for weeks before I commenced my shill downwards project.

Maybe I’d send out 100 emails to news outlets in North America suggesting I have a story on how Walmart, Target and big box retailers promote scalping and reselling of goods which is directly related to the spike in coronavirus cases by encouraging individuals who are choosing not to work but claim subsidy to drive around all day both interacting and touching dozens of things and spreading and at risk themselves of bla-bla-bla —> maybe try and hit the brand reputation in its current day to day stuff…

Maybe I’d orchestrate 5-6 fake assault robberies country wide in regards to local pick ups or breaking and enterings involving Pokémon local deals?

Iuno the sky is the limit of your imagination once you loosen up your moral compass and as you mentioned above “as long as you can see it, you can work around it” maybe this is my solution…

And the point is entirely that, because we unfortunately don’t have anyone who advocates or acts as an authority in the space, alongside the fact you just can’t ultimately treat collectibles as actual investments without a market that offers some type of protection or a way to properly gauge valuations, that prices can artificially go both ways. If you’re exposed to one direction, you’re exposed to the other.

The only thing that will streamline all this but that is embryonic currently is StockX taking greater market share and attracting both buyers and sellers to the platform as well as becoming an industry standard in terms of true market price and valuations.

[zorloth]

@pokebowl

@sgpokecollect

Can you stop the shilling? Can you stop the manipulating? Can you tell CG hey bro not cool plz stop?

I’m not denying its an issue, I’m just saying that is absolutely nothing you can do to stop human greed. As long as you can see it, you can work around it.

Also, shilling upwards is far easier than shilling downwards. So no, I’m not as worried. U can try shilling downwards, tell me how u gna do it? sell a quarter of your collection below market? where do you get the supply to do that? buy at higher prices (thereby pushing prices up again) and then selling below market?

The only option is to adapt. He’s pumping base? Fine, I sold all my unlimited base and used the proceeds to buy a 1st neo box at a reasonable price. I win.

(1) find about a handful of medium-sized content creators / influencers who I can buy for cheap. Script and have them indirectly show why investing in Pokémon is whack and why buying ___ is 100x cooler and more fulfilling. “How I lost 10,000$ investing in Pokemon” (reverse titles), etc.

(2) buy smurf eBay accounts / dormant accounts —> write a script that will auto list a set of 5-10 items I want to ship downwards. Use varied pricing, different countries and geo locations, etc. Simultaneously but slowly use the other smurf eBay accounts I possess to buy these now newly listed cheap BINs.

(3) pay someone to make new content as to Pokémon cards declining

I’m sure if I put some thought into it and I loosened my moral compass to dance around more grey areas, I could come up with and execute a solid plan. I’d make sure to change the metadata on the pictures, I’d make sure to build up the eBay accounts being used selling bs singles and 1-5$ items for weeks before I commenced my shill downwards project.

Maybe I’d send out 100 emails to news outlets in North America suggesting I have a story on how Walmart, Target and big box retailers promote scalping and reselling of goods which is directly related to the spike in coronavirus cases by encouraging individuals who are choosing not to work but claim subsidy to drive around all day both interacting and touching dozens of things and spreading and at risk themselves of bla-bla-bla —> maybe try and hit the brand reputation in its current day to day stuff…

Maybe I’d orchestrate 5-6 fake assault robberies country wide in regards to local pick ups or breaking and enterings involving Pokémon local deals?

Iuno the sky is the limit of your imagination once you loosen up your moral compass and as you mentioned above “as long as you can see it, you can work around it” maybe this is my solution…

And the point is entirely that, because we unfortunately don’t have anyone who advocates or acts as an authority in the space, alongside the fact you just can’t ultimately treat collectibles as actual investments without a market that offers some type of protection or a way to properly gauge valuations, that prices can artificially go both ways. If you’re exposed to one direction, you’re exposed to the other.

The only thing that will streamline all this but that is embryonic currently is StockX taking greater market share and attracting both buyers and sellers to the platform as well as becoming an industry standard in terms of true market price and valuations.

He didn’t say it was impossible to shill downwards…just that it’s more difficult. To shill upwards, all someone has to do is fake an eBay sale or shill bid some auctions. Much easier than doing what you’ve outlined lol. It’s a much bigger concern that people would shill the market upwards rather than downward.

[KingPokemon]

The length of the posts in this thread makes me feel like I’m back in school🧐

[pokebowl]

@zorloth

@pokebowl

(1) find about a handful of medium-sized content creators / influencers who I can buy for cheap. Script and have them indirectly show why investing in Pokémon is whack and why buying ___ is 100x cooler and more fulfilling. “How I lost 10,000$ investing in Pokemon” (reverse titles), etc.

(2) buy smurf eBay accounts / dormant accounts —> write a script that will auto list a set of 5-10 items I want to ship downwards. Use varied pricing, different countries and geo locations, etc. Simultaneously but slowly use the other smurf eBay accounts I possess to buy these now newly listed cheap BINs.

(3) pay someone to make new content as to Pokémon cards declining

I’m sure if I put some thought into it and I loosened my moral compass to dance around more grey areas, I could come up with and execute a solid plan. I’d make sure to change the metadata on the pictures, I’d make sure to build up the eBay accounts being used selling bs singles and 1-5$ items for weeks before I commenced my shill downwards project.

Maybe I’d send out 100 emails to news outlets in North America suggesting I have a story on how Walmart, Target and big box retailers promote scalping and reselling of goods which is directly related to the spike in coronavirus cases by encouraging individuals who are choosing not to work but claim subsidy to drive around all day both interacting and touching dozens of things and spreading and at risk themselves of bla-bla-bla —> maybe try and hit the brand reputation in its current day to day stuff…

Maybe I’d orchestrate 5-6 fake assault robberies country wide in regards to local pick ups or breaking and enterings involving Pokémon local deals?

Iuno the sky is the limit of your imagination once you loosen up your moral compass and as you mentioned above “as long as you can see it, you can work around it” maybe this is my solution…

And the point is entirely that, because we unfortunately don’t have anyone who advocates or acts as an authority in the space, alongside the fact you just can’t ultimately treat collectibles as actual investments without a market that offers some type of protection or a way to properly gauge valuations, that prices can artificially go both ways. If you’re exposed to one direction, you’re exposed to the other.

The only thing that will streamline all this but that is embryonic currently is StockX taking greater market share and attracting both buyers and sellers to the platform as well as becoming an industry standard in terms of true market price and valuations.

He didn’t say it was impossible to shill downwards…just that it’s more difficult. To shill upwards, all someone has to do is fake an eBay sale or shill bid some auctions. Much easier than doing what you’ve outlined lol. It’s a much bigger concern that people would shill the market upwards rather than downward.

It’s entirely the same thing just reverse engineering the latter. Shipping upwards tends to benefit one side of the coin, and highly disadvantage and discourage the other half of the coin. If the roles were inversed, and massive downward price movements started catapulting where a poke dooms day bubble burst starts forcing massive supply to hit the market, people who had a cost basis of 100$ on things they were comfortable selling for 500$ but got greedy and encouraged selling them at 10,000$ let’s say… they can easily retrace back to accepting selling for lower if they are forced to…

the thing is that other group of people are more likely to not have the means in the first place let alone the funds to try and attempt this… but this all just needs to remain a cautionary tale at how *sensitive* price is in this market to news and news can dictate both directions.

I haven’t been on this forum long enough to know what era that was, but wasn’t there an issue with the dogs being leaked and flooding the market crashing their individual market at that moment in time? I skimmed over that thread and everyone was talking about how they were available for like 50$ which would be a Godsend today so evidently they bounced back. I promise you that if someone was motivated enough to execute a highly calculated plan to shill prices downwards, just as how easy it has been to pump them up, we need to be rational and accept how easy it would be to send the prices crashing.

And no I’m not talking about trophies or low pop 10s notoriously impossible to grade etc etc. But we understand which cards and sets were talking about.

[BugCatcherDave]

When all the PSA 10 1st Ed holo start ‘pumping and dumping’ onto the market please message me

[pokebowl]

@BugCatcherDave

When all the PSA 10 1st Ed holo start ‘pumping and dumping’ onto the market please message me

Out of the last 176 sold listings for 1st edition base, only a Raichu seems to have sold on best offer.

Meanwhile there’s over 10+ PSA 10 holos actively listed. Currently, the demand *at certain price points* is drying up? Clearly the 10s are being “dumped” now at these “new prices”, just no one is absorbing them right? I don’t blame them tbh… they *are* a bit too overpriced.

Out of the 300 currently listed 270+ are all for commons, non commons, non holo rares. Out of the 176 sold listings, 175 are c/uc/non holo rares… - that sold Raichu…

So since holo 10s are seemingly out of reach for the majority of people, theyre flocking (fomo induced) acquisitions of very high pop, easy to grade, bulk 10s that yes, have been pumped, for 1-3k

But in either case the real shilling is happening elsewhere no one is talking about the Holo 10s the 10s have obviously surpassed the current bid price by miles and miles and will be sitting for longer… we’re talking about about PSA 9 unlimited zards that went from 7k USD dropping down to 4-5k as of the last 24
Hours DESPITE the massive amount of supply at stupidly high prices. That card didn’t go from 500-750 to 7k in 10 days. It’s like saying the psa 10 Zard is now 2M 10 days after logic paid 200k.

Shit like that

[pokepackcollector]

@pokebowl

@pichufan

I’m convinced the last box was bought as a publicity stunt. I’d be very surprised if this sold to someone who wasn’t looking to use it as a way of advertising themselves in some way.

I know I rant and write long posts but if you read my super sarcastic comment in that thread… you’d realise you’re right. They’re planning to launch a new coin based around Pokémon cards / a new blockchain based digital asset marketplace… going to do the whole big PR stuff, hype up, use manipulative fomo-inducing marketing techniques to lock in unsuspecting seed investors, etc.

(1) the only news source that reported on the subject is “benzinga” a highly sketchy news and alert based platform for those who day/scalp trade on signals. The owner of that platform and site is a little bit controversial and most information out there or about him is fluffed up black hat SEO back links and paid blogging bs

(2) the individual who “bought” the box, Chris Cam$llo another interesting character. At all times it’s presumed that Chris, J@ke (first name of everyone’s favorite pumper) and another guy are all “partners” on this venture. The “record setting box price” is actually the box that J@ke posted early October having paid roughly 150k. The only news breaking service that posted about “record setting” new price (375k) comes from the highly sketchy blog that is a pay-for-promotion type of site. Think, AwesomePennyStocks (3B$ p&d Canadian operation that went belly up a few years ago), and every other traditional (early 2000 to like 2012 penny stock pump site that tried to work around the whole legislation by being “marketing news companies”). Anyhow, irrelevant. This guy did NOT pay 375k. In fact, he didn’t even exchange funds for the box I would suspect. He’s basically been brought on to act as the “face” of the venture (venture being the con) I think it’s called a straw man deed?

Anyways… so this Chris guy is known is for being very controversial and actually making outrageous claims, playing the super I don’t follow follow traditional advice blabla I made 2M$ out of 2000$ because I created a new branch of investment based on investing on current social and digital marketing trends and hypes (essentially what Gary V has been doing for years and anyone else who is a long time successful investor / trader). And through his little medium he mentions somewhere that he advised his followers or whatever to look into the companies that cater to the collectibles and CCG world because he saw how the interest and demand was spiking during lockdown (so did 10 million others of us thus the continued price increase duh).

In this bullshit paid for biased article announcing the box break, we have a few red flags. For one, he doesn’t mention from where or how the box was acquired, but mentions it was paid for by his partners using their crypto entities funds. Then, he mentions he’s doing this for charity and mentions the name of the charity. The article is seperate in a way, where you would assume there would be a separate heading and paragraph describing WHO AND WHAT the Charity is, what they’ve done so far, who is involved, where can they be reached, etc. Instead that part is only mentioned in the introduction and first paragraphs. The subsequent ones are:

Growth of Pokémon cards —>

explain and validate the current trend of demand for collectibles and nostalgic things rising. Mentions high profile individuals who can be used to assert and validate and rationalize the increased spending (LP and Logic). Uses the name of a highly reputable auction house and offers the opportunity to get in early (where a REAL new price will set a NEW AND REAL precedent, by conning people intermittently into believing a new box price has already been set). Finishes off with suggesting he is “getting in early — much like he has and done witb crypto”.

Connecting Investors And Collectors —>

So his purpose of buying this box is to "bridge the “world of investing to world of collecting.” — because he capitalisés early on trends in regards to making both financial and investment decisions but also uses his foresight to create new businesses and ventures by self promoting his interests — he wants to bring the poke community together and closer with the investor community. He ends it by saying TO HIS KNOWLEDGE, he is the first “investor” to buy into Pokémon. This is how you know this site is full of cr@p. You are by no means any different or entitled to a superior title or interpretation of what the word “investor” means. If he was a hedge fund PM or Capital Markets / Private Equity PM and said to his knowledge he’s the first FUND MANAGER to divest funds into the Pokémon world, I’d say fine. Lmao gtfo here.

About Cam$&lo —>

Describes all his accomplishments and successes and his super foreword thinking and first to market type of guy and mentor and teacher and investor etc. We get it

Last part is “ways to invest” —>

Talks about the areas and sectors of the market that will or can capitalize from this growth and plugs in his other businesses (which is divulged by the site — unless they want to end up like the AweaomePennyStock guys — for his NEW VENTURE called ___ which offers fractional ownership into sports cards and collectibles

And for which it concludes that you can start investing as of the release of that article into a set of very ambiguous 1st edition Pokémon cards through an initial public offering of 125k.

Do I need to keep going here? And the charity cover up is just a tax shield mechanism, the crypto purchasing is a money laundering scheme, etc. It’s sad because I wrote about this stuff maybe 2-3 months ago in other posts that this was where the trends were going because I too like Mr. investor there earn a living predicting and capitalizing on trends.

i was saying pump n dump for a few months now. Pretty much all this is

[pokepackcollector]

And i have seen the down shilling on ebay already happening just as much as up shilling.

Have noticed that since ebay changed sold listings data from a year+ to being wiped after 90 days now. Much easier to manipulate markets quarterly than annually.

[null_user]

to the guy writing essays in here - you are making tons of incorrect assumptions.

benzinga - not suspicious and is one of the most used daytrading services there is. no, not their homepage blog, but the hundreds of dollars per month monthly service they sell for data and charts and news. (their homepage is indeed a blog)

sell the box as illegal crypto assets/to bypass responsibilities? youre crazy if you think chris would do that with him being so public. look into the COLLECTIBLE app, where they sold “shares” of a sports card - the card was a registered security with the SEC. surely any offering they do will be 100% legit if that’s the route they take because you have someone that is from the industry that knows the consequences of selling unregistered securities

mini ebay accounts building up to set up a flood - why on earth would they do that when you could just dump everything through PWCC or probstein for a tiny % over eBay fees and 0 work ? and what exactly are they going to dump ? the 16 9s and 10s coming out of the box ? even if all ~360 cards in the box get a 10 - do you guys really think the thousands/millions involved in pokemon right now wouldn’t be able to absorb 300 more 10s lol ?

a true pump and dump like APS’s old stock pumps requires owning the supply. I’m betting you didn’t know APS themselves WERE the company they were pushing! they literally controlled the company they were promoting. they only reason they moved the stock where they want is because they were the insiders. they were the supply

one guy with one box has zero effect on the market imo. three guys sharing one box is pumping!?

youre giving these guys way too much credit and not nearly enough to the strength of the hobby

[austonmatthews]

I know who sold the box - it’s not a straw man. LP has also bought 3… yes… 3.

[zorloth]

@pokepackcollector

And i have seen the down shilling on ebay already happening just as much as up shilling.

Have noticed that since ebay changed sold listings data from a year+ to being wiped after 90 days now. Much easier to manipulate markets quarterly than annually.

What? When did eBay allow you to see a year+ of sold listing data? This was never the case (at least not within the past decade and a half lol).

[piezers]

@austonmatthews

I know who sold the box - it’s not a straw man. LP has also bought 3… yes… 3.

3 more?

[sherbixtus]

1 mil by christmas? 30k bulba by christmas?

[austonmatthews]

@piezers

@austonmatthews

I know who sold the box - it’s not a straw man. LP has also bought 3… yes… 3.

3 more?

He said he has bought a few more - I assume 3. At least 2, I would think

[pokepackcollector]

@zorloth

@pokepackcollector

And i have seen the down shilling on ebay already happening just as much as up shilling.

Have noticed that since ebay changed sold listings data from a year+ to being wiped after 90 days now. Much easier to manipulate markets quarterly than annually.

What? When did eBay allow you to see a year+ of sold listing data? This was never the case (at least not within the past decade and a half lol).

They changed it in 2019. I could go back up to a year on most items to see solds using watch count. Been using ebay since 2015. How did you never notice that archived solds/purchases/etc have been removed way sooner than what was normal back then. Was very easy for me to track something sold in feb + June to get a median idea of price in nov.