Couldn’t grab the video again unfortunately.
But it looks like the OP is going to end up sending one off to CGC though, so more info will likely come out after.
Here is the original (now deleted) post for added context for those who didn’t see it.
Couldn’t grab the video again unfortunately.
But it looks like the OP is going to end up sending one off to CGC though, so more info will likely come out after.
Here is the original (now deleted) post for added context for those who didn’t see it.
If we can figure out where Score Entertainment (Donruss Playoff L.P.) printed their cards in that era it could be cross-checked if it was a same plant as where WotC printed T.Chinese Pokémon.
Hey so this is the guy with the cards. proof is below. i’m currently in contact with a rep at cgc. my grandfather is worried about having it fully online from a legality standpoint. I understand why. i’ve been reached out by goldin about the certification of it from a friend who is big in the pokemon vendor industry. we also work a corporate job together so i’m not concerned about getting scammed because of his insane connections. i’m honestly shocked by what could come from this.
I was one of your billion PMs if anyone wants to vouch for me lol, im interested in some photos and such
i have at least 500 chat requests on reddit rn. I brought the card to a local card show today and got offered more money in cash for a single card than i could’ve imagined for. not even it being officially certified. obviously didn’t take the deal. I know they’re real because i’ve known of my grandfathers position there and other items he has shown me
Welcome to the forum mystery DBZ back poster.
A huge word of caution, of all the grading companies you could reach out to about some obscure thing, certainly for something pokemon related, CGC is literally the absolute last company I would ever trust their word on when it comes to anything ever. Indeed, I would consider their approval as being suspicious and contrary to whatever they are claiming. They enabled a scam that caused millions of dollars of chaotic damage, linked below.
If you are curious to prove, discover and provide evidence, this is the place for it! The forum is friendly. You have very knowledgeable people here. People who have stuck through pokemon cards through thick and thin, who know a lot, and whom are just interested in learning and discovery. I value the opinion of the sleuths here, some of whom may be able to help us learn more about your cards. Some people are surprisingly resourceful when it comes to contacts.
Personally, already you have piqued my interest, its a cool story. I don’t know if its true, I am always skeptical, but I am also always hopeful for something new and interesting to come to light.
If you want to help us see if these are legit, as I said, your phone applies some kind of weird smeary filter, so a good clean scan would help. A better camera close up would do, no top loader, no sleeve. We need to see the print dots. @Nightvulture is one of the kings of the print pattern as are others. I think that would be a great place for us to start. To just look at it the cards themselves and see if its possible. Story aside.
Thank you for having the bravery to post. Sorry I’m long winded. Welcome again.
it is literally impossible to tell with modern cell phone pictures being “enhanced” by AI. I see several issues with the photos shared, but it is more than likely just AI processing and compression.
Mine:
Theirs:
This is what the footer of a Chinese Base card should look like ( minus the guides )
Spacing and fonts seem all incorrect. Doesn’t mean it can’t be some sample production, but doesn’t pass my smell test currently.

Agreed with your insight about likely a filter being used. Really makes things difficult when its blurring details.
The DBZ CCG was such a niche, with only official releases in the USA, Canada and Australia (Australia only from the third set onwards if I recall) why would fake Chinese cards be printed on that stock be miss-cut and punched a hole through? We’ve seen cards before with hole punched through them to prevent regular circulation.
But without a high DPI flatbed scanner, it will be hard to check alignments and dots.
Although it’s indeed a fact that CGC’s blunder enabled the biggest scam in Pokémon history, I still think they’re the best grading company for these type of cards. Of the big three, PSA will send these back as No-Grade without even looking at them; and BGS will probably grade them, but likely without barely doing any research.
I might be easy to talk, since I wasn’t dubbed personally by the prototype scam, but if were CGC, I would from now on be even more thorough when grading unorthodox items than before and triple-checking everything, to prevent having to pay back another few millions to customers and stopping as a grading company all together. Just my 2c, though. ![]()
As for the card itself, I agree with @packyman that it does look a bit weird on the picture when comparing it to a released T. Chinese Base Set card, especially at the very bottom with the copyright info. ![]()
But as he mentioned, it’s likely because the photo has been ‘enhanced’ by AI. Didn’t realize that was a thing to keep in mind these days, but if it changes small texts this much, it’s pretty annoying to say the least.
Either way, they fit the time-frame, and the story seems plausible. I’m looking forward to how this story continues. ![]()
Scans that show the Rosetta pattern would be very helpful, if your grandpa is willing for those pictures to be shared of course.
Greetz,
Quuador
Dont forget, different names have dif spacing. We would need to compare to a card of the same artist likely. Id search another ninetails. even energy in english base set had varying uncorrected spacing issues.
These appear non-holo correct?
Didnt realize @Quuador posted the comparison when i replied ![]()
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I dug around for some more examples of the exact card. It turns out there may be a “thick” and “thin” version of Chinese? It’s subtle but these two seem different and are from PSA scans.
I think the DBZ card will be hard to authenticate unless they provide tangible provenance. Normal solutions like XRF elemental analysis will be abnormal. Holo is also missing cosmos. There was a comment by OP that mentioned the Grandpa was concerned about the legality of the print.
Curious to see how they authenticate and what they say!
If a grading company will authenticate these I really hope they’ll base their analysis on more than provenance.
I really hope they turn out to be real. That would be absolutely amazing ![]()
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PSA has graded DBZ CCG cards in the past (quick count; they did roughly a thousand) so they should have notes on file how to authenticate the cards. If only PSA would finally open an European office soon, so I can submit a whole bunch of them….
These appear non-holo correct?
I think these may have the holo pattern of DBZ cards? Which seems to be more of a sheen than cosmo holo.
I wonder if part of the reason they look off is because they were printed using DBZ cardstock and with the DBZ holo pattern,
They are definitely gonna be on DBZ stock
does anyone know what magenta angle, Dragon Ball Z cards used?
This are all the holo patterns used in the DBZ CCG era. You can see the very first foil they used is basically flat. With flash it’s basically black.
Update: we are in contact with CGC and Goldin on the process for certification. From what i’ve seen online this will take awhile for it to go through the entire process.
Can you get close up enough to see the magenta rosettes on the front and back?