CGC Grading

You also get a discount if you are a member! Pokemon bulk deals dont come around all the time either, this is ongoing bulk prices at least.

Im pretty sure Charlie will be offering dealer discount (they do 20% on comics) on all submissions if done through Ludkins too…just a hunch, no insider info lol :stuck_out_tongue:

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For bulk it’s 8$ + $5 for sub grades for cards 100$ and under. For a company just starting out in trading cards it’s a bit high.

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I mentioned that in my breakdown. For high end cards/small submissions/fast turn around I think they’re a no brainer.

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I truly hope this service takes off. I have my doubts though as do many others. Beckett is fairly invested in grading cards and they still don’t get the love (market reputation) that PSA gets. Therefore, I’m not sure how far CGC will reach. I wish CGC and @funmonkey54 the best! This is some very exciting news to hear for all of us!

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Keep in mind the fast turnaround. For an equivalent turnaround with PSA/BGS you’d be paying a lot more. I think the combination of competitive price + fast turnaround is key here.

I was a skeptic initially on CGC, but most of what I’ve seen so far is very encouraging. The most important thing will be the consistency and accuracy of grades, but this will be hard to determine without a large amount of cards as evidence.

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1999-2000 is officially available Bart

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I think with someone like @funmonkey54, giving them valuable input, they’ll find a niche in pokemon grading and expand from there. They aren’t just going after the pokemon market after all. And they really have everyone beat now when it comes to higher end items needing graded. $30 fat rate is VERY appealing for expensive cards and fast turnarounds.

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One of the reasons why PSA has issues is that their graders are minimum wage workers who are overworked and under valued. This can/has affect/ed quality of service. I have said before that I would be willing to pay a higher price so that I have happier, healthier graders evaluate my cards. I should hope that the higher prices CGC charges goes to pay their graders more. If so, then I do not see an issue with the higher prices. Plus, it is not that much different from/more than PSA in many instances

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Will be very interested to see how the first large batch of graded CGC pokemon does on eBay when it hits. Comparing prices to other similarly graded sold listings of other companies, etc. I predict them to fall short initially but gain traction very quickly. Don’t underestimate the power of quick turnaround times and KNOWN experts in the industry backing them. Anyone dismissing them immediately either has a bunch of PSA cards or doesn’t know what they are talking about. My only gripe is I think the Aesthetics of the cases could be a little bit more well put together for cards that don’t have a lot of text but the cards that need more text and identification - it looks brilliant. (espcially compared to PSA cards that have 15 abbreviated words… like really guys - that’s the best you could come up with?)

Side note: Glad I don’t own a huge collection of PSA cards at a time like this :blush:

Side note 2: Expensive? Would you guys not value time very highly? $8 a card for 30 day turnaround? Or spend similar prices at PSA for 180 day turnaround… I value my time much more than ya’ll apparently lol

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Definitely keeping an eye on this as someone who’s yet to dive into grading.

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Am I the only person that doesn’t mind having PSA, Beckett, and CGC cards in a collection?

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You get what you pay for. Price premiums are low because there currently isn’t an added market premium. Until that is proven there isn’t an incentive to grade valuable items. Especially when the ratios for the hobby standard (Psa) aren’t unreasonable.

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Thank JESUS! :heart_eyes:

PSA still hasn’t acknowledge it after years, and CGC had already acknowledged it and the cases aren’t even out yet! @garyis2000 spent years upon years getting PSA to acknowledge Shadowless, so I’m curious about this thoughts now on CGC pulling this outta the bag ~

Still feel they need to change it to Base 2000 or that it should have its own category as Unlimited and Shadowless ~

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According to this video, they are taking dealer applications for card sellers as well. On the comic side that means you can offer a 20% grading discount if people submit through your dealer account. Wonder if it will be the same for cards

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Has there been any talk about pack grading?

Be interested to see Charlie’s essay insight into the new venture.

To echo others’ thoughts on this;

PSA obviously dominate the WOTC and current Pokemon TCG modern card base. CGC trying to break this domination would obviously be very difficult but it would be foolish to say impossible. It entirely depends on the track record they build for themselves and what aspects of the service they can offer the average collector that presents a desirable advantage over PSA. If we were to look at WOTC on its own, particularly the grails? It probably wouldn’t be daft to suggest that ship’s sailed.

In Charlie’s announcement he alluded to CGC’s willingness / better technical ability to incorporate more niche aspects of the cards into their service, whether that’s miscuts, errors or unique cards. I suspect if CGC commit the necessary resource and consistency there’s every chance they’ll lead the way in this domain (which seems to be precisely the gap that Charlie/Ludkins intend to close).

This could be their opening to the larger majority market. It could be their foot in the door to demonstrating features such as; significantly better lead times? Competitive costs? Quality customer support? Offer more appeal to international customers? It could take years for them to build the customer base and reputation, but in the same way as building any other successful business there’s no reason it can’t be done if enough hard work and consistency are thrown at it.

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imo PSA is doing a lot of boneheaded stuff right now - their prices are insane, their backlog is a product of their own doing, and if you want to tell me that corners aren’t being cut due to the backlog pressure then I just straight up won’t believe you

That said, CGC missed an opportunity here with their grading system imo. If they had ditched the 0.5s and added a 10+ (similar to Black Label), the grading system would be more attractive. Right now for Pokemon (less so for Beckett-centric cards like sports/MtG) there exists an awkward discontinuity for grades where BGS 9 < PSA 9 < BGS 9.5 < PSA 10 < BGS 10 < BGS 10 Black Label and my personal feeling is that 9.5 is just a really awkwardly positioned grade.

The label is also so critically important to the overall appeal of the slab. A few more iterations with the label design and even the label printing technology (printing perforations on the label? seriously?) would have helped them a lot. If they had brought to the table a very sexy label I feel like that would have driven a lot more market interest right away. The rest of the plastic slab looks pretty good otherwise.

As for the pricing - I think it’s good, and seems much more closely aligned with more money = faster turnaround than PSA. The add-ons idea to generate more revenue is a neat one and is 100x easier to accept than PSA’s reasoning of you pay (a lot) more simply because the card’s worth more and if you don’t pay us enough we’ll call you up and demand more money. I’m not sure if CGC is doing the whole financial guarantee thing but imo it’s just so incredibly unnecessary, especially if (as several members here have argued in the past) it’s the reason for PSA’s insanely high prices.

There is a ton of opportunity for improvement and innovation when it comes to grading, so I’m hoping a level-headed successor is able to take down PSA from the Pokemon throne. PSA is the clunky king at the moment due to the streamlined grading system, attractive no-nonsense slabs, and name recognition, but with enough successive shots to the foot they’ll eventually fall.

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Just spent some time learning about CGC’s grading techniques. They quote that they will use, “devices that perform ultra-microscopic inspections and precisely calculate centering.” This is interesting and I wonder if PSA will adopt similar tech? How much of this will be automated?

Will be interesting to see as time goes on, but I commend CGC on venturing into the market.

Also, will you NEED to pay the sub-grade fee to be able to receive the “Perfect 10” grade?

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The more people who grade CGC the less backlog there is at PSA, the more attractive PSA becomes as the cheaper and more established option.

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It seems like there is a Pristine 10 example on their IG page that don’t have sub grades.

That being said- I am sending in my first submission to them today. I am mainly excited because I was able to send in an error card I know PSA would never encapsulate and I’d probably have a hard time with at BGS as well. So stoked and ready to review this hopefully in 1-2 weeks!

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