So in summary what we’re getting at is if you didn’t actually grade with CGC recently your opinion doesn’t matter…
That’s the same backwards logic that this company is making.
Everyone’s opinion is valuable including people that have never graded a card in their lives.
I can personally care less how the company does overall. The main and only point that we should all be able to agree on is CGC SCREWED THEIR CUSTOMER’S* (Unless you call the 9.5 upgrade to 10s a win for every CGC customer. If anything it helps balance out all their 8.5s)
I tried explaining at one point. Years ago I almost sent CGC my whole collection. I chose not to at the end of the day thank God. But if I did would my opinion have really mattered that much more? I’d just be in the same boat of everyone that got screwed. Which I do feel bad for. This isn’t good no matter how you spin it.
I’ve held a mostly negative stance of the changes CGC made, but unironically if CGC is able to move on from this & continue to grow as a company. There’s a possibility that the blue labels could become niche commodities & command a premium over time. So early CGC collectors may not be as screwed as we thought.
Yes, basically. What matters is how this change impacts the future of CGC. And if you weren’t using CGC previously, the fact that you’re disgruntled doesn’t mean anything. You can, of course, say whatever you want to say, just as I can rattle on about trophy card sales to my heart’s content. But the opinions on trophy cards by people who aren’t in the market for trophy cards are ultimately irrelevant.
It’s very nice of you to be disgruntled on behalf of CGC customers, but the reality is that I’m seeing a lot more people disgruntled on behalf of CGC customers than I’m actually seeing disgruntled CGC customers. In fact, myself and several other CGC customers in this thread have expressed how this doesn’t screw us over.
Of course, there are some people who got screwed over by the change. The situation joshsoddcollection is in, for instance, is really unfortunate. But it’s not clear to me that this decision has a net negative effect on people as a whole. For me and many others, the change is a humungous net positive.
Even CGC 10 owners might win from this. We’ve never really seen a grading company make changes like this before. Seems like CGC’s reputation is still intact despite the pushback going by 9.5 sales. These 10s are still graded by CGC just at an earlier time & no longer acquirable through grading. There’s enough of a deference between the new & old label to still be desirable on their own.
I sent in 500+ cards to them (all with subgrades btw). I have an error collection in CGC slabs. I have a few autographs slabbed by them. I have multiple cgc 10s I never planned on cracking or selling.
Do I qualify? Is my opinion ok to share now?
There are not opinions that count and opinions that don’t. The whole reason this move was made was to capture a bigger market share so the opinion of non-cgc users is just as important as current cgc customers. There are also a ton of people who used cgc at one point and don’t anymore. Surely their opinions are also valuable to the discussion?
Think it’s too early to jump to conclusions IMO - at the end of the day, those with Perfect 10s now have a unique piece of history, and those with Pristine 10s now have a special and obvious telling slab
In a blue sky scenario we may even see some PSA10 holders try to cross to a Pristine 10 as BGS Black Label seems impossible for vintage
I explicitly said that everyone should share whatever opinions they want to share. My point is that if we’re talking about how this change impacts the future of CGC, the disgruntledness of non-customers is pretty irrelevant.
Also, I’m referring to people who have never used CGC and never were going to use CGC. And again, there’s nothing wrong with such people sharing their opinions. Just as there’s nothing wrong with my sharing my opinions on the trophy card market. But if someone wanted to analyze the trophy card market, surely the opinions of market participants hold a significantly higher weight than random people like me who never have participated (and never will) in the market.
In fact, I believe you’ve made exactly this point in past trophy cards threads (and, for the record, I think it’s a very valid point).
Make sure you review your comment in a few years! It is a fact that there are less CGC Pristine 10s than PSA 10s. Men lie, women lie, numbers don’t lie
Not saying that it will happen, but there is a possibility. Anything can happen
