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2/19/23 SOLD ON PWCC for 12,000
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I got a comment on a post I made about Umbreon cards a bit ago that pushed me into taking a second review of them all. After looking at all of the options for artworks across the TCG and the pricing for each, Iām genuinely confused as to why anyone would still pay a couple hundred dollars for a raw copy of Moonbreon, let alone upwards of $1k for a mid to high graded copy. The artwork is honestly not even in the top 5 of best Umbreon artworks, and barely even makes the top 10. I donāt get it at all. Seems like hype and FOMO at its bestā¦still.
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I think itās because itās the most popular modern card. Now I totally agree that there are better artworks but I think to this generation growing up with PokĆ©mon, evolving skies umbreon might be the base charizard for them.
But the other side is that the ones driving up the price are adults and that I donāt understand why this card specifically when there a lot of other alt arts. It also might be because of umbrella popularity and how hard it is to pull.
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I donāt know if the pull rates have been pinned down for Evolving Skies, but is this card really that rare? There are hundreds of them available on ebay alone. I realize Umbreon is popular, but like you said, I just donāt understand why this card specifically still has this amount of hype around it. Seems off.
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Honestly, almost all ultra modern will probably have a very high pop. Alt arts have a hard pull rate, but if the set was printed heavily, that just means a higher population for every card in the set.
PSA pop report:
Edit:: 11,404 is total graded at PSA. And then 8k PSA 10, and so onā¦
CGC and BGS each have over 2k total graded as well. If price is as high as it is, itās mostly demand driving prices high.
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Im gonna disagree. I think its the best vmax alt art out of all the eeveelutions. A think a couple hundred dollars for a copy of this card giving prices these days for cards is reasonable. It may not be great artwork to you but to others it is fantastic artwork regardless of any hype or not surrounding the card.
Black label prices are a different story which is what this whole thread was talking about but it is completely reasonable for a person to want this card for its raw or psa 10 prices. Have you seen how much we all spend on vintage cards? 
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The colors really make it standout compared to other Umbreon cards while the city rooftops keeps it in the same theme as other top Umbreon art. Also its the most popular eeveelution known in the tcg for higher value cards.
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Fair. Iām not about to debate a subjective opinion of something like art haha. Itās just not my thing I guess and the level of demand just seems unreasonable to me, thatās all.
As we move away from SWSH, just like the once $10,000 Black label Charizard, people will have a different flavor they collect and the hype train keeps chugging. The biggest risk with any card in this newer modern era IS popularity. That is all what is driving prices. NOT rarity, and NOT exclusiveness.
Once people have their fix or attention in something else, where do you think the prices will fall or anything in the 12,000 population range? Certainly not at these levels.
Now I have to clarify, that is taking in consideration that we arenāt going to grow from here and maintain this pokemon demand.
To those be their own, but personally if I am āinvestingā in a collectable, I would want to invest in rarity rather than popularity. :]
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Yeah all modern is printed more heavily than modern.
Using a subjective measurement to critique is not really valid.
Personally, even though it isnāt actually Starry, Starry, Night, thatās what I thought of when I first saw it, and even after I know it isnāt, I still default to it. Anyway, as you said, itās impossible to debate a subjective and personal opinion.
As Iāve previously said, cards in this rarity and in that set have an estimated print run of around 70-100k. Whether you think thatās a lot or not, is different for each person depending on their own forecasts. At 80k, many/most rainbow cards in the SWSH era are lower than $10. Rainbow trainers have hardly any demand. At the same time, if you were to try and personally pull the card, it would be 1 in 49 booster boxes or 1,750 packs.
How many people do you think can afford to do the latter?
It does have the fact that it is Umbreon, one of the most popular Pokemon going for it, but as long as Pokemon continues to strengthen, it doesnāt make sense as to why this card would crater when itās now out of print. Even if itās already seen its peak around $600-650 raw I think, I donāt think itāll go back below $200 when a booster box is like $400. More likely it wonāt ever drop below the price of the booster box whatever that ends up being.
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My take on black label is youāre paying a premium on your favorite printer brands!
And also your favorite warehouse workers who decided to pay a bit more attention feeding in the card stock that one day. If anything, that premium in price should go towards their salary bonus, and not the sellers or auction houses.
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I love a good rail against black labels but this seems intentionally divisive. Itās impressive for any set card to break $1000, the value of one card doesnāt take away from another.
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Not trying to point out which umbreon/grading company is better, it is definitely up to personal preference.
Wanted to share how BGS black label moonbreon dropped from 12k to 3.3k over the past 8 months.
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Yeah, Iām not blaming you at all, just the intention behind the creation of an image like that
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Yes @ShinPorygon, That is why this thread exists. Please see the previous comments and the continued price updates that I have made since February when the 12K sale happened 
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I actually commented on that post specifically and spoke my mind 
lol
Maybe I should link this thread to that post lol
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That and thereās wont be natural attrition since every single person who pulled this card put this card into a sleeve/protector. Plus no one is going to play with this card without a solid protection.
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That doesnāt mean the price is going to collapse. Itāll just find its price band and float up and down.
People are so hyper focused on what the pop means, how many there are, what if people just like the art?
When the investoclowns check out, and they will, others will buy it for their collection because thatās what these are for to begin with.