I don’t know to be honest, because I am just looking at Japanese promos on a few secondary markets in Japan. I have seen a steady drop in prices of some Japanese promo cards. They are for sure cheaper than beginning - mid of 2023 and I think for some cards, PSA 8 and 9’s are really starting to get affordable. However, it is just my own observation and only on a certain section of cards. But data like the one you posted can help indicate overall market trends this year.
Well, as you know, Moonbreon artwork is of such ethereal and sublime beauty, perfect pose in a perfect background setting.
Yup, yup, yup, don’t praise Moonbreon too much, lest people here accuse you of hyping it.
I’m more interested to see when EH chinese version gets released next month. Will CHN Moonbreon erode JPN Moonbreon’s price since both are of same holo, texture, etc?
ENG Moonbreon’s texture is different from JPN one and English is world’s most preferred language, so I’m not so worried.
Why pay hundreds for this card when you could get it for $25? It’s a genuine question for many, but the answer may be that many of those who are asking this question wouldn’t pay the japanese price to begin with.
Truth is, for the same reason that many english collectors don’t buy spanish cards just because they’re cheaper for the same art, many japanese collectors don’t buy other asian language cards just because they’re cheaper for the same texture quality. People are loyal to the languages they collect for continuity, legibility, origin, whatever the reason may be.
All S-Chinese cards are doing is adding more options at more price points for those who are either priced out of current options or are looking to collect more languages (and of course for those in China who are currently in this standard format and are getting these cards either to collect or to play for the first time in their language.)
No. Being a cheaper alternative doesn’t guarantee it will lower the price. Look at any reprint. The 25th anniversary umbreon gs doesn’t affect the English or Play version. In fact the price increased in that example, along with other reprints.
From my very personal opinion, it does. To what extent i do not know, but i have noticed some previously “jpn exclusive” such as the tag team gx alt arts and other promos have decreased in value between 10-30% (also taking into account the burst of last year bubble).
And from a very subjective standpoint, if i was chasing an exclusive art that is only available in JP but theres a cheaper (and by a lot) alternative in another language i would just go to other language.
The card isn’t a “reprint” in the traditional sense of the word in my eyes, it’s just in a different language. It’s like saying English cards are reprints because Japanese copies came first. Unless I am misunderstanding your meaning.
Historical speaking, other languages existing isn’t a guarantee to have any influence on a previous language. Korean cards have been around for years now and are irrelevant to Japanese prices. Even the big 2, Japanese and English, there are plenty of lp promos and other eras that are $1 in English but hundreds-thousands of dollars in Japanese.
I pre ordered simplified Chinese booster boxes of Eevee Heroes for the hell of it. Will that make a difference with Japanese Eevee Heroes prices? Hell no. Yes, I know the product hasn’t been released yet, but it’s not going to happen. Look at the other alternative, Korean Eevee Heroes is what, $46-$50 a box? and that has done nothing on the Japanese counterpart other than rise.
I am sure that when Simplified Chinese Eevee Heroes releases, there are people that will opt for copies from the set and not bother with English or Japanese copies. It could even happen with people that are able to “afford” the latter, but simply choose not to for various reasons.
I’m just saying it places a pressure on the market share of copies from existing languages. The scale of the effect isn’t something I care about going into. It could be negligible, but it’s there.
I think if there was a real measurable effect here, you’d see a more reactive market. For example, another print run of a set does have an effect on the price. Typically when a reprint announcement is made, the market responds to the news by lowering prices in advance. I don’t really see the market respond this way for Chinese releases, Eevee Heroes is a good example. Did Japanese boxes become cheaper?
We also don’t really see it for English prints. The price of a Japanese card doesn’t tank when the English version is released.
One part of this discussion that’s missing is that we are implicitly having a discussion about cards that are
popular in China
generally expensive
typically were exclusively Japanese at some point
The issue is that these type of cards are also the most speculative so it’s near impossible to disentangle why the price falls/has fallen because there are many reasons why.
The other thing you have to look for is people who are selling their Japanese copies and replacing them with the Chinese version. If they are really fungible, this should happen all the time (and in fact, this should be the primary driver of the price falling). But generally I don’t agree that people see the language variants as interchangeable. People are often interested in these cards because they are expensive/desirable rather than simply for the artwork that is interchangeable between languages. I think the new language option is typically used by people who do in fact like the art but don’t want to pay high prices - these people weren’t driving the Japanese price in the first place.
I’m saying no, but I’m definitely biased. Why? Because the three Japanese EBD promos were released in Traditional Chinese as regular set cards, yet I’ve sold the Japanese PSA-10 trio for 150k USD (they even peaked at 250k a few weeks later), proceeded to buy a house using this extra money, AND bought the T. Chinese set cards raw (for ~2.5k USD) to re-complete my FA Supporter collection.
Besides, we had loads of reprints that didn’t affect prices of the original releases, even in the same languages. Take the English Base Set 1st edition holos vs English XY Evolution reprints for example.
Although I can defintely understand a small dip when the cheaper option is first released, especially for cards where there wasn’t a cheaper option beforehand, it usually won’t take too long for prices to go up again of the original items.
I think the answer is pretty clear. There was a speculative bubble that included waifus and specific Japanese-exclusive promos and that bubble burst. Some cards that had little organic interest outside of the waifu hoarders dropped harder than cards with genuinely wide appeal (e.g., poncho promos).
I don’t think Chinese reprints are affecting Japanese prices. If you broaden your perspective the same could be said about English reprints. I lived in Korea for two years and those sets have always been affordable compared to the Japanese ones (just look at sold listings of PSA 10 modern Korean cards vs JP equivalent). A Korean Eevee Heroes Umbreon VMAX Alt Art sold for £350 recently. If anything, it means more people get to enjoy the hobby because they can buy the art in a language that doesn’t have as much demand.
have entirely different holo patterns and textures.
