And best of luck with the PSA-10 Shining Gyarados. Sounds like a fair offer. And I agree the Shining Gyrados should be worth more than the 1st edition Base Set Gyarados, but the market doesn’t care about my opinions either way.
I don’t really understand this, to be honest. 1st Ed. Base Gyarados has a lower pop and is from the first English Pokemon release ever. Whereas Shining Gyarados was released a few years later and it was like the 8th Gyarados that they had made lol. I get that it’s shiny and that it has popular art, but I don’t understand how this outweighs the historical significance and lower pop of the 1st Ed. Base one. If I had a choice between the two at the same price, I’d pick the 1st Ed. Base one without a doubt. It has better fundamentals.
Outside of the 1st edition variant, base set Gyarados was a common theme deck holo, and then it was reprinted in Base set 2, Legendary collection and again in Evolutions. Obviously it is very difficult to compete with anything from 1st edition base, but Shining Gyarados certainly also has some strong fundamentals (not just a shiny, but the first shiny and a direct connection to the games) and is certainly a much cooler card to look at. I have not payed attention to the prices of these cards recently, but I would personally rather have the Shining Gyarados, and more so if it was the rarer Japanese version that has a more sparkly holo pattern on the entire card.
But I’m not doing a general comparison of Base Set Gyarados to Shining Gyarados. The Base theme deck appearance and the art reprints don’t affect the PSA 10 1st Ed. Base version. I’m comparing specifically PSA 10 1st Ed. Base Gyarados and PSA 10 1st Ed. N3 Shining Gyarados.
I agree that both have extremely strong fundamentals. It makes complete sense that both are worth a significant amount of money. What doesn’t make sense to me is the claim that Shining Gyarados should be worth more than Base Gyarados (again, talking specifically about 1st Ed. English PSA 10s here). Based purely on fundamentals, PSA 10 1st Ed. Base Gyarados should be worth significantly more. The fact that it’s not is shocking to me.
I think a lot of people are experiencing base set fatigue at the moment while new collectors will notice there is more to Pokemon than base set. If we specifically consider PSA 10 1st edition, it is interesting to consider Neo Genesis Lugia. It has surpassed most 1st edition base holos in PSA 10 conditions. This is something new for a regular set card holo. I know Lugia is hard to grade and is arguably also more iconic. But Shining Gyarados is not too far behind in my estimation.
base set will bounce back when everyone gets bored of neo, litrally happens evrytime lol people will get bored of stuff once the hype dies down till eventually they go the full circle. i think 1st ed base has by far the best long term funditmantals and i would pick psa 10 1st ed gyrados over shinning at the same price without a dought, not sure why its even a fair comparison lol, i do like shinning gyrados byut come on surely its not in the same leauge not even close!!! it only bacame worth more when neo gt hyped on the backside of base retracing…i say collect where people are silient and sell where people are hyping! litrally shinning gyrados price seems well overinflated at this point i wouldnt touch it with a barge pole when seeing the price of the og 1st ed base copy of that species, with that said, Good luck in finding the card as its a great card for sure!! and i think value wise it will do well long term too!!
What a strange thread. Usually people get mad in WTB threads when they feel like OP is lowballing. Now people get mad because they feel like OP’s offer is too high - only based on a relative comparison between this and another, completely unrelated card.
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Good luck OP. Your offer seems to be really good. So good in fact that it offends some people. Haha.
I can speak for myself but I’m not mad haha ! People can pay what they want for whatever they want (Not specific to this situation) Although if I saw somebody paying significantly over the market price unknowingly then I’d be sure to give them some guidance as a kind gesture!
No one was offended. I just thought it was interesting that the comparison was even being made. And even more interesting that people were saying PSA 10 1st Ed. Shining Gyarados should be worth more than 1st Ed. Base Gyarados. It’s just a weird claim and it surprised me. I have no stake in it either way; I don’t own either of the cards nor do I particularly want to lol.
I’m of the belief that shining gyarados has stronger fundamentals going for it.
It’s a chase card. 1st base gyarados isn’t
It’s shiny. Possibly the most iconic shiny ever.
The art is often considered the best art in WOTC
It paved the way into real chase secret rares (not team rocket raichu)
1st base gyarados has the same art in like 4 sets.
I’d love to see what @smpratte thinks about the comparison of the two. Both have strong fundamentals and target different collectors. Probably have different levels of liquidity too.
I think it’s important to take a step away from the microscope and take a look at it from a different perspective like as if we were all kids again. Two kids on the playground. One has a 1st base gyarados and one has a 1st shining gyarados. Who is the cooler kid? Imo the shining