Has your return had any other information about what they think was altered on it?
Could be a trimmed edge or recolouring the edges?
I’d wait until you get them back to closely inspect them yourself. If the guy has sold you the set of them and only 2 have triggered a response from PSA then I don’t think the guy has intentionally deceoved you.
Yeah I see your predicament. I wouldn’t use the PSA response as a way to try and get the guy to refund you. I’d message him with something subtle to probe his response about it all. Mention that 2 of them look a bit odd when compared to your other copies of the card or something.
If he doesn’t think he is being interrogated he will act natural and you can get some gauge on him.
Only buy from high rated dependable sellers. Check feedback. Examine cards closely before submitting to PSA.
Some of your difficulty may have been averted if you’d done these few things, Gambling on sellers with little history can end up being disappointing.
High rated sellers can make mistakes but they will fix the problem.
-Congrats on the Noctowl
-I’ll be piggy backing off of everyone elses comments
-I would notify the seller right away and ask for a partial refund
-Crack those things open, check for altered work, if none re-send them in. I’ve had cards that were “altered” in the past but once submitted a second time they graded fine.
"I do not believe they were not tampered with in any way (I suggest you find out from PSA what they are referring to) – BUT you saw the cards and sent them to PSA so clearly you couldn’t have thought they were bad or damaged (neither did I and I bought them in good faith just like you did). Anyway, how do I know you didn’t tamper with them? IF there was a clear problem you would have mentioned it once you received the card and you certainly wouldn’t have sent them to PSA – so think you’re being a bit unrealistic. Clearly I can understand your disappointment but similarly I accept no responsibility for PSA and their grading – the cards looked great to me and most people would say they look great too.
Sorry nothing I can do nor will I refund any money and think that is a bit unrealistic on your part. Clearly there is no way of predicting how PSA grade their cards – that’s your choice if you want to grade them."
Thats near enough what I would reply to someone if they purchased cards from me and this happens. As far as on a seller point of view all items should be checked on arrival and if their sent for grading then clearly as a buyer they looked good enough as any sort of tampering is usually visible especially on pokemon cards.
I had something like this when I sold a mint flareon gold star but the buyer got it graded and it got a 6 somehow but I know for a fact that was PSA fault. I won the ebay case, paypal case and then he opened a claimback case which I couldnt win.
I say wait for them to arrive double check them if they look fine it must be a crappy grader who made a wrong decision but if they come back the same try to work something out with the seller or worst case open a case.
Hmmm. This is pretty interesting. The seller is of course correct that he/she bears no responsibility for PSA grades, and you yourself said that the cards looked great. I would not try to attempt to get a refund out of this. You probably could given eBay’s policies, but it’s kinda a dick move. While it’s fishy, it’s hard to place direct blame on the seller. He/she could have bought doctored cards to begin with, or the cards could have been altered by anyone who owned them during their lifetime. N-5 is such a wide qualifier that you can’t be sure what was actually wrong with the card. For those who haven’t seen it:
N-5 Altered Stock - This term is used when the paper stock is altered in one or more of the following ways: Stretching and trimming, recoloring and restoring, trimming and recoloring, restoring and trimming, crease or wrinkle is pressed out, or gloss is enhanced.
IMO, the seller is not actually nor morally obligated to provide you with any sort of refund. It really sucks that the cards came back ungraded though. I would do what everyone else has said and resend them in and see if they get graded.
When I read this I assumed the seller was new cause that description would mean mint. When cards come out of packs they aren’t 7s with multiple altereds.
So…I disagree with most of the comments above. He lied about condition and then he insulted you by saying maybe YOU altered them.
Yes, you should have looked at the cards closer then returned them. That’s your fault so you must keep the cards.
But he’s a dick so leave him a negative explaining why.
This is quite discerning … I thought that PSA may grade the card as ST or MK ( Stains and / or marks ) on the card if there we’re signs of colouring or what have you. That completely sucks that they will just say 100% no.
The seller should reimburse you, you have evidence from a 3rd party authenticator that the goods he sold we’re tarnished, he was the last party to sell these. He needs to pay.
He also looks dodgy, and I have the assumption that his other sales with the post it notes on it, may of also been rejected stock.
When I looked them over again I couldn’t see anything wrong with them… but I didn’t bother sending them back in since I had got two 10s from the lot I bought. I didn’t understand why some were “altered” and some were 10s… lol
and only has had positive feedback!
