Thoughts on Sun & Moon Hyper Rares

[budget]

@williamcoolman

When they were first announced I thought the market price would be about 30-50% higher than what they are now, but I’m glad they aren’t.

As it stands I think there are too many rainbow rares per set, and I think they will become stale in the marketplace as they are not an art variant. Maybe in 10 years these will become relevant in a rarity perspective.

At least they’re better than the XY secret rares where the only difference was a gold border.

[scratchdesk]

@churlocker

Rarities are tiered as follows (low to high) as of SM:

Common
Uncommon
Rare
Holo Rare
Ultra Rare (These are your EX’s and Full Arts)
Hyper Rare (These are your “Rainbow Rares”)

Other:
Secret Rares: Secret rares are cards numbered AFTER the standard set issue (Example: 103/102). A secret rare can occupy any other rarity’s slot in packs. We’ve seen them less than one a box and several per box. It just depends. The term itself is a descriptor pertaining only to the numbering on the card. It does not indicate frequency in any way. This is set-specific.

I don’t think they use the term “Hyper Rare” on the English side of the TCG. At least TCPi doesn’t (note Rarity field here): www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/pokemon-cards/?1-sm=on

Nice rundown you gave there though. This is how I’ve been breaking it down:
Common

Uncommon

Rare

Holo Rare

Ultra Rare (These are your EX’s and Full Arts within the set numbering system)

Secret Rare (Outside of the set numbering system, with a subset of the Secret Rare’s being Rainbow Rare GXs)

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As for this topic I’ve thought about this a bit and thought I’d chime in.

I think the marketplace for Sun & Moon is currently being driven down by the TCG playerbase. The set is massive and tough to complete. The TCG playerbase is opening a ton of product which is driving down the market value as they get rid of the cards that aren’t “playable”. Granted this happens with every set to a degree I think it’s greater this time around due to the Pokemon boom and vast increase in TCG players. It seems sets have sunk below the $600 mark which surprised me at first.

That being said, if the market is pushing the value of the cards down then the time to buy them is when they are at the bottom right? Is that right now? Probably not, but now is the time when the most product (and competition) should be on the secondary martketplace. As that tapers off as new sets come out the prices should reach a point of stabilization for a while until the set is out of print. Only then will prices of the rarest (and most desirable) cards start to see an upward movement. With all that in mind I think it’d be best to “invest” elsewhere if you are looking for a reasonable return anytime in the next few years.

[ozenigma]

@scratchdesk

@churlocker

Rarities are tiered as follows (low to high) as of SM:

Common
Uncommon
Rare
Holo Rare
Ultra Rare (These are your EX’s and Full Arts)
Hyper Rare (These are your “Rainbow Rares”)

Other:
Secret Rares: Secret rares are cards numbered AFTER the standard set issue (Example: 103/102). A secret rare can occupy any other rarity’s slot in packs. We’ve seen them less than one a box and several per box. It just depends. The term itself is a descriptor pertaining only to the numbering on the card. It does not indicate frequency in any way. This is set-specific.

I don’t think they use the term “Hyper Rare” on the English side of the TCG. At least TCPi doesn’t (note Rarity field here): www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/pokemon-cards/?1-sm=on

Nice rundown you gave there though. This is how I’ve been breaking it down:
Common

Uncommon

Rare

Holo Rare

Ultra Rare (These are your EX’s and Full Arts within the set numbering system)

Secret Rare (Outside of the set numbering system, with a subset of the Secret Rare’s being Rainbow Rare GXs)

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As for this topic I’ve thought about this a bit and thought I’d chime in.

I think the marketplace for Sun & Moon is currently being driven down by the TCG playerbase. The set is massive and tough to complete. The TCG playerbase is opening a ton of product which is driving down the market value as they get rid of the cards that aren’t “playable”. Granted this happens with every set to a degree I think it’s greater this time around due to the Pokemon boom and vast increase in TCG players. It seems sets have sunk below the $600 mark which surprised me at first.

That being said, if the market is pushing the value of the cards down then the time to buy them is when they are at the bottom right? Is that right now? Probably not, but now is the time when the most product (and competition) should be on the secondary martketplace. As that tapers off as new sets come out the prices should reach a point of stabilization for a while until the set is out of print. Only then will prices of the rarest (and most desirable) cards start to see an upward movement. With all that in mind I think it’d be best to “invest” elsewhere if you are looking for a reasonable return anytime in the next few years.

TPCi doesn’t use the term Hyper Rare, but they certainly use Rainbow Rare as mentioned by @funmonkey55

[scratchdesk]

@ozenigma

TPCi doesn’t use the term Hyper Rare, but they certainly use Rainbow Rare as mentioned by @funmonkey55

Oh I know, it’s in that link I posted.

[ozenigma]

@scratchdesk

@ozenigma

TPCi doesn’t use the term Hyper Rare, but they certainly use Rainbow Rare as mentioned by @funmonkey55

Oh I know, it’s in that link I posted.

Yeah I saw, I just want sure if you noticed that Charlie was using terms that more people are using rather than the official terms.

I don’t know anyone calling them Rainbow Rares, just calling them Hypers. All good though

[churlocker]

Yeah, I was trying to acknowledge both the colloquial terminology and the official terminology in a way that shows where they stand in terms of relative use and relative rarity.

[maverick75]

They’re gonna be printed like crazy, dont think it will hold onto value. Most have already dropped down to $15.