I think PSA 9 first Ed holos have been good buys for a long time, and will probably continue to stay that way. You may be thinking about more high end cards, but I think that WOTC first Ed psa 9 holos won’t experience too much of price increases because of saturation in the short term. For WOTC booster boxes, demand is stupid high and supply is pretty low.
i like to reference Scott’s advice (I think from past videos): 1) booster boxes are king 2) where is the cheaper option for mint boxes?
When ever I think of markets I rely on the qoute by Warren Buffet, “Be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful.” I’ll let you decipher what that means to me. As far as where’s the cheaper option. That logic is bound to get you slaughtered at some point in time. There is always a cheaper option, but it just might be in a different asset. Think back to housing investors, dot com stocks, crypto, derivatives…same logic could apply there too.
Anyone thinking this price rise is temporary hasn’t been in the game long, and if they have been around for a while, it’s because they failed to read the market and don’t have any skin in sealed boxes
I get the nostalgia side of wanting a sealed WOTC box but as far as investing I am not seeing it as I think people have missed the boat now on that one. I would bet that if I bought a 1st edition box of any of the WOTC products and spent the same amount of money on the right new sealed booster boxes (Unbroken Bonds for example) the new stuff would win out in 10 years easily as far as worth goes. You just have to be smart about what set you invest in if that is your goal. Basically any set with a Charizard is a safe bet except Evolutions
Please don’t bet your life. I’ve lived through numerous cycles of such things and can’t think of any examples where that’s held true.
This is coming from someone who is no advocate of sealed product but still owns many boxes/cases. I know that sounds like an oxymoron but there’s more to it than that;)
Please do. Do you really think the WOTC boxes will triple/quadruple in price in ten years from what the prices are now? You can’t buy a sealed box of anything over 10 years like HGSS and Platinum for less that what $400-500? From an investment standpoint the newer stuff in 10 years will go up in value at much higher rate. Just my opinion but I’m ok with the flames, new people always get smacked down on any message board. Flashfire is $400 a box already because it has a Charizard in it. Will be fun to see what happens either way.
It’s good to get opinions from people the know the hobby even if I disagree with it I can learn from people. Wouldn’t be the first time I am wrong, won’t be the last.
No ones smacking you down. You won’t get many of us correcting you twice. At least you won’t hear crickets or guaranteed information like most communities without the knowledge and experience to actually share good info.
This is a group with seasoned high end collectors who realize you need people with both mindsets just to keep the hobby healthy. As you know, you can’t have winners without others paying the price.
When I first got back into the hobby in 2016, I think I had thought the same as you. I was like, the new stuff is so cheap and should increase at a much faster rate than the old stuff. After 3 years, I would say this is probably not really true. It might be true sometimes, but less often than you think. If I had $1000, I would invest in the old stuff 9 out of 10. I know you might not see it right now, but I would urge you to do more honest research before you give your opinion on something so macro. I don’t know you personally, but the people on this platform have a lot of experience and have been in the hobby longer, more intentionally, and more consistently than you I would bet. Nevertheless, I hope you take our responses as constructive criticisms. I am not saying we are right by any means, but I strongly suggest that you really get to know your stuff and be able to back it up with facts! Best of luck dude.
Thanks for the insight and I guess my reasoning was what would be more likely. A Neo Destiny 1st Edition that sells for $10,000 now tripling to $30,000 in 10 years or a sealed box of Unbroken Bonds tripling from $100 to $300? Historically it seems the second example but who knows with the crazy jump in WOTC sealed the last few months even. Good to soak up all the knowledge and maybe I’ll just lurk for a while I’m not much for investing in cards really just a collector but definitely helpful information here.
See this fallacy all the time in the stock market. Quality over quantity. People all the time say “hey why buy Amazon stock at $1800 when I can buy this much worse company for $1 and it has a much better chance of rising then Amazon stock does!” No it doesn’t.
Buy what you enjoy and don’t worry about the “investing” aspect. Collectables are finite and can fluctuate over time. They usually talk about supply and demand, hence WOTC or Wizard of the Coast has limited supply and are no longer being produced. Why do you think the sports cards in the 80s and 90s (for the most part w/ exceptions) don’t have much value? They printed the crap out of all the cards to meet demand which you can easily pick up the same card today at roughly the same price. Everyone has different motives, no one should tell you how to collect. I am pretty sure most people would tell you to go “invest” in something else or at least have a guaranteed return with a CD or stacking it into a savings account lol.
I think that would be a fun bet. I don’t think we are legally able to place bets on the site here, but we should definitely come back to this post in the future when one of these sets hits the 30k or 300.
If neo destiny is 10k today, and in 10 years it’s 30k that’s a 20k increase. If you don’t think neo destiny can reach 30k in 10 years do you think jungle could reach 8k? That’s only a 5k increase over 10 years and buying 4 boxes today at 3k each would get you the same 20k return as that 30k neo destiny box if it did get that high.
I think people forget that a lot of the opportunity for growth IMO is not in boxes like skyridge, neo destiny etc. as they’re already high and the buyer pool is severely limited due to their cost compared to other boxes, they will still increase but IMO at a far slower rate than ‘cheaper’ 1st ed boxes that currently still have ‘decent’ supply … one day that won’t be the case though, especially at the rate boxes are being opened. I don’t think it’s unreasonable at all to think of 8k jungle boxes within 10 years.
Also if unbroken bonds did go to 300 from 100 you would get similar percentage returns but to get the same amount in dollars you would need to store and then sell 20 cases of it vs 4 jungle boxes, I’d much rather go with the latter.
