So you pay again for another opinion. If you really cant find a flaw with your 9’s then send them in again.
Is that like if I don’t like being found guilty of murder, I should just ask for a different jury? I’m not paying for the opinion of a 10. I’m paying for the opinion. Period.
Extreme, I know, but a hilarious example nonetheless.
I’m in agreement with this.
I recently cracked 5 graded 9 cards out of the case and sent them back raw. Four of them came back as 10s this round. I’ve also sent in 6 graded 9 cards for in-case review, 3 of those got upgraded to 10s and I’m still waiting on the other 3 to come back. To say that the first grade assigned to the card is always the correct one is shortsighted.
Since humans grade the cards, there’s always going to be some variation. For example, consider a card that is PSA’s definition of ‘Mint 9’, and you send it in 100 times. Most of the time it’ll get a 9. Occasionally it’ll be scored lower, maybe an 8. And occasionally it’ll score a 10. It’s all about an individual grader’s assessment of the card, which will always vary until we decide to have robots grade our cards.
However I do think that trying to “game the system” so to say, e.g. submitting a card over and over with the hope to find that one grader who will give it an undeserved 10, isn’t right. I don’t know where to draw the line on that, but there’s a difference between submitting a card 1 or 2 extra times in the hope of a 10, and submitting it 10 times with the same hope.
I don’t understand why you think it’s wrong to regrade cards. Sure, it is just paying for just for an opinion but it’s just that. An opinion. If you happen to disagree you can pay again and get a new opinion. What’s wrong with that? Don’t you want some of your deserving 9’s to achieve a 10?
It’s because the opinions are based on guidelines set forth by the company. These guidelines mean that grades are grey, not black and white but that doesn’t mean that every card should be able to be graded differently.
It’s because when I buy a PSA 10 copy of the card, I want it to be PSA 10 worthy, not the product of an error of judgement.
If you consistently re-submit the card, you’re hoping for someone to overlook something.
Whilst I think my cards are flawless, someone with FAR greater experience than me disagrees. I pay PSA for their professional opinion. Not for them to give me an opinion that I want to hear.
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Resubmitting cards in the hopes of an error of judgement on PSA’s part is really shitty and people shouldn’t do it. I agree with you. However, resubmitting a card because you truly believe it has undergraded is totally acceptable and is the point I’m trying to argue. Sure, maybe my previous example of sending in a card 10 times was a little extreme but resubmitting a handful of times in quite reasonable.
It’s just plain silly that you would disagree with a grade and not resubmit. Professionals make mistakes. You said it yourself, guidelines are not black and white, it’s a grey area.
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It really scares me thinking of cracking a no raritasn out of case. I would have to go with review, or get one of the masters to do it for me, but i wouldnt do it with a 10, only a psa 9 ect. xD
I think id give up after 2-3 reviews. I dont have the patients… but say if i sent a no rarity 10 zard to bgs for review… i not sure if i could send it back a second time… all the insurance ect. I talked to psa about dis, if you want to insure it at psa, a card for 10,000usd will cost 700usd. But at bgs the insurance is 10usd for every 1000USD extra cover… But bgs said to me that the only damage that can occur is in shipping when i was trying to ask them does this cover when your cracking it out of case/accidental damage ect… So maybe this means PSA insure the card based on what happens when its in there hands, and bgs just insure it for during transit or some crap like that… This was one of the big reasons for me not having a go with sending the current zard i have… Was a bit of a errrrrr risky taking…
Does anyone actually know anyone who submits cards 5-10+ times though? I have seen a dude submit so many a second time and they get 10’s time after time xD
If you send a card in for review once and it changes then you can assume that the first grader simply made an error with the first grade. If you send a card in more than once for review and after say the 10th one it finally gets a 10 then again, the grader has made an error on that 10th submission. What people don’t seem to be able to grasp here is that by resubmitting so many times you are trying to say that psa has consistently made mistakes by giving the card a lower grade than what YOU want. If you do this to simply sell the card as a 10 rather than for your own personal collection then that is straight up underhanded and sneaky behaviour in my opinion. If you keep them then that’s your loss having 10s in your collections which in actual fact are “9s at heart”. People want both sides of the coin by saying that they want 10s but then complaining about any sort of consistency with card grades.
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I agree partially and understand your opinion. I want you to know that I don’t think your opinion is silly, it’s valid.
My primary concern is that I am not a professional and I don’t have the tools and experience that professional graders have. It is my belief that I should accept the hand I have been given. Maybe one day in the future I may spend some time and investigate the cards further, but I feel I should trust these people.
I know they are not infallible. But they are certainly better than me and that’s what matters to me.
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PSA cover the card from the moment they accept it to the moment 48 hours after it has been signed for by the original owner.
Basically the moment they sign the package you sent to 2 days after you pick up the package they sent you.
I know this because I’m going through compensation currently. So far it has been a pleasant experience but the battle isn’t over yet.
I dont think bgs do, which is strange. But if i ever wanted to get my charizard recased, i dont think id be able to afford 700usd…So Id probably claim it at 1,000 or whatever xD
As for sending in to bgs for review, I just cant do it untill I have that other one… because what if i lose mi baby… i cant be taking that risk, which is a decision i made a while back when i had those crazy thoughts in my head.
Re-grading just proves how naive to the facts a person can be. Paying for an opinion? Hilarious.
Can you elaborate on that? I mean nearly everything in the hobby is an opinion.
And chaos ensues… PSA vs E4 vs The people that grade things round 7.86
Hmms Milhouse is right, and I have the solution to the problem… we Must boycott psa to change these 2 descriptions of mint 9 and gem mint 10 requirements, to write factory whitening left over does not deduct or however theyd put it, and a few other things… Because it is very consistant with certain cards and the way they grade them, and you can always tell what is factory and what is damages imo.
I have seen all the gold star charizard, rayquazas, and mews graded 10 and all there photos in the last 8-10 months, and there is very little difference with the 10’s. Most of them i seen ungraded before they got graded also… So the pattern is pretty clearingtons.
This is same goes for a bunch of 1st ed shadowless and shadowless that have that shit left over on the boarders. I agree with this, and they should be a 10 if everything is crisp but the cutter didnt cut dem bits off… but they must write the tingz down… but then it wouldnt sound as nice on there website, and people will throw things… so the question is… do they have a choice in this matter… as If your selling something, it has to sound nice… there not gonna go on there website…
also psa posted an instagram photo today and it had my freakin ol psa 10 1st ed shadowless zard in it!!!
Warning this is an overexaggeration, and not ment to be taken to seriously… unless you have purchased a tinfoil hat from me recently.
This is a total scam to regrade a card until having a PSA10.
In this way, PSA10 means nothing …
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Regrading isn’t inherently bad. Some cards are between grades. You get a better understanding of say “weak 9’s” vs “strong 9’s” with experience.
I think the pattern people are frustrated with are the mostly flippers who manically re-grade. Ironically with social media most people know the card was re-graded 3-5 times.
Also, it is important to note that you can’t simply re-grade any card and earn a 10.
I think the OP’s card looks like a 9. In my opinion, the whitening on the back top will keep it from a 10.
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its pretty chipped up the top, i didnt see the photo when i was looking firstly i only saw the one with light shined across it of that properly. i dont tink it can 10… and so it shall sit up on ebay if he chose to sell it for eons, like most psa 9’s do. 
When i see a psa 9, i weep for pokecardmanity… Its like a death sentence imo. Unless you have trophy, no raritan, snap card, anything base set.limited printed, tournament, ect… No body be wanting 9’s anymore, since they go at auction for so cheap 
Fist pound*
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yes I’d agree thats wrong as well.
some people in this discussion are taking regrading to mean exactly that. I’d wager that most regraders are doing at most 1 time with an even smaller amount being sent twice. If thats where you are coming from then you are judging the many based on the actions of a few. My personal regrade experience is about 40% upgrade to a 10 and that is about half cracking the case and the other half sending in for review. PSA are professionals but they are also human. There is no way to 100% remove any sort of biases from the equation. Even if they cover up the current grade, the reviewer knows that the person is sending it in because they believe it should be higher (they are disagreeing with PSA). There are so many different variables with grading besides the actual grading scale that it makes this process messy and with how many millions of items get graded its easy to see a difference in grades.
I have a submission I’ll be sending thats all review and inside the case. I’ll post those results once I send it in and get it back. My problem is that I can no longer tell what a PSA 10 is anymore. I bought a ton of xy fates collide. I broke it up into two submissions. The first submission had the better condition ones and the second one had the “weak 9s/mint” cards. To my surprise the weak ones came back. Ex Holos I held off on sending for months because of the wear came back with 10s but the strong 9s with the factory wear of a dot on i came back 9. I’m not talking about roughed up, fluffy white wear on the back. I’m talking about the grey still flush with the card almost imperceptible wear.
I dont think regrading is wrong and if your only reason for doing so is the people who take advantage of it by doing it 5+ times then you might belong in the guns are bad because of a few, ban and item from a game because bots use it to cheat attitude.
You can send together, but you need two different submission forms and will be sent back seperatly.
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