PSA - New certs Vs Old certs

[7l7l]

@pfm

@smpratte

@7l7l, You realize someone spent hours scrapping that psa data, for you to just completely ignore. This is why people say you are trolling. You are ignoring literal data/facts to make pointless contrarian arguments that waste everyones time.

I am taking the time to write this message in hopes you consider this before continuing down this path. Otherwise consistently derailing threads is against the Rules.

Literally wrote code to scrape the PSA set registry and scraped it for 2+ years straight. Spent hours trying to break down the data and plot it in an honest and informative way. Recorded a 20 minute video which took 3 takes. Shared the data and results publicly, free of charge, asking for nothing in return. Only to be told by someone - who’s only contribution to the conversation has only been concern trolling - that the data is not good enough.

In the end though I’m hardly bothered. I did the work for myself and the people who appreciate it. I’m not really concerned with the opinions of perpetual timewasters

I do appreciate your time and effort. I apologize if I haven’t been sensitive or have overlooked the emotional aspects of this issue. I simply mean to ask pointed questions that will shed light on the question. I apologize for any offense

[richi2rich]

@smpratte

@7l7l

Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

You’re wrong.

I’m sorry i don’t want to hijack the thread but I was always under the impression that PSA has two graders at a minimum per their grading process page:

"In addition, the sheer number of graders assigned to each card can vary depending on the type of card submitted. In all cases, at minimum, two graders are assigned to every card.

Here’s an example – if you were to submit a 1965 Topps Willie Mays – this is how the grading process would work:

Each grader receives the order and they will enter the order number into the computer. Once that is done, the contents of that order will appear on the PSA grading screen. Grader #1 will then enter his grade for the card in question (and for each card within the order until the order is completed if there is more than one card) and close the order on his screen. Once that is done and after redistribution of the order, Grader #2 will do the same – not knowing the opinion of the first grader on any of the cards within that order.

If their grades match in the computer, the card would then eventually reach a 3rd grader for verification of the grade. If the opinion of the first two graders does not match, that card will be assigned to a 3rd grader whose opinion is required to break the tie, so to speak. As with the first example, the card would still be assigned to another grader for verification (a 4th grader in the process) to make sure the grade is accurate and consistent with our standards."

So is it one grader at a minimum or two?

[7l7l]

@richi2rich

@smpratte

You’re wrong.

I’m sorry i don’t want to hijack the thread but I was always under the impression that PSA has two graders at a minimum per their grading process page:

"In addition, the sheer number of graders assigned to each card can vary depending on the type of card submitted. In all cases, at minimum, two graders are assigned to every card.

Here’s an example – if you were to submit a 1965 Topps Willie Mays – this is how the grading process would work:

Each grader receives the order and they will enter the order number into the computer. Once that is done, the contents of that order will appear on the PSA grading screen. Grader #1 will then enter his grade for the card in question (and for each card within the order until the order is completed if there is more than one card) and close the order on his screen. Once that is done and after redistribution of the order, Grader #2 will do the same – not knowing the opinion of the first grader on any of the cards within that order.

If their grades match in the computer, the card would then eventually reach a 3rd grader for verification of the grade. If the opinion of the first two graders does not match, that card will be assigned to a 3rd grader whose opinion is required to break the tie, so to speak. As with the first example, the card would still be assigned to another grader for verification (a 4th grader in the process) to make sure the grade is accurate and consistent with our standards."

So is it one grader at a minimum or two?

Yes, sir, thanks for this.

Here’s the link, in case anyone is interested:

www.psacard.com/services/psagradingprocess

[gottaketchumall]

@richi2rich

I’m sorry i don’t want to hijack the thread but I was always under the impression that PSA has two graders at a minimum per their grading process page:

"In addition, the sheer number of graders assigned to each card can vary depending on the type of card submitted. In all cases, at minimum, two graders are assigned to every card.

Here’s an example – if you were to submit a 1965 Topps Willie Mays – this is how the grading process would work:

Each grader receives the order and they will enter the order number into the computer. Once that is done, the contents of that order will appear on the PSA grading screen. Grader #1 will then enter his grade for the card in question (and for each card within the order until the order is completed if there is more than one card) and close the order on his screen. Once that is done and after redistribution of the order, Grader #2 will do the same – not knowing the opinion of the first grader on any of the cards within that order.

If their grades match in the computer, the card would then eventually reach a 3rd grader for verification of the grade. If the opinion of the first two graders does not match, that card will be assigned to a 3rd grader whose opinion is required to break the tie, so to speak. As with the first example, the card would still be assigned to another grader for verification (a 4th grader in the process) to make sure the grade is accurate and consistent with our standards."

So is it one grader at a minimum or two?

I have no stone cold proof, but I am capable of reason. They are not using the procedure as written above on 90% or more of Pokemon cards, if any at all.

[randox]

@gottaketchumall

@richi2rich

I’m sorry i don’t want to hijack the thread but I was always under the impression that PSA has two graders at a minimum per their grading process page:

"In addition, the sheer number of graders assigned to each card can vary depending on the type of card submitted. In all cases, at minimum, two graders are assigned to every card.

Here’s an example – if you were to submit a 1965 Topps Willie Mays – this is how the grading process would work:

Each grader receives the order and they will enter the order number into the computer. Once that is done, the contents of that order will appear on the PSA grading screen. Grader #1 will then enter his grade for the card in question (and for each card within the order until the order is completed if there is more than one card) and close the order on his screen. Once that is done and after redistribution of the order, Grader #2 will do the same – not knowing the opinion of the first grader on any of the cards within that order.

If their grades match in the computer, the card would then eventually reach a 3rd grader for verification of the grade. If the opinion of the first two graders does not match, that card will be assigned to a 3rd grader whose opinion is required to break the tie, so to speak. As with the first example, the card would still be assigned to another grader for verification (a 4th grader in the process) to make sure the grade is accurate and consistent with our standards."

So is it one grader at a minimum or two?

I have no stone cold proof, but I am capable of reason. They are not using the procedure as written above on 90% or more of Pokemon cards, if any at all.

So they only use one grader?

[gottaketchumall]

@randox, in the vast majority of instances, yes I would presume 1 grader sees your card.

[cooltrainertony]

Can we let this thread die already? I feel like this topic has been beaten to death and ive only been on the forum for a week

[7l7l]

@gottaketchumall

@randox, in the vast majority of instances, yes I would presume 1 grader sees your card.

Where are you getting this information from? (seems to contradict the PSA website directly)

[richi2rich]

I don’t care about new certs, old certs, a 10 is a 10 and a 9 is a 9. There’s no conspiracy as far as i’m concerned. Go troll on IG if you believe such to be true.

I’m just mind blown there may only be 1 grader looking at cards. That’s false advertising. The difference between a 9 and 10 can be up to someone who just maybe be having a bad day and you’re shit out of luck or someone who who just came back from a date to remember the night before. We’re paying a corporation from at the least, 7.50 all the way up to few hundred to a thousand dollars to get a card graded and it just comes down to one minimum wage worker? That’s wrong. Think of all that profit…If one grader can go through a card in less than a few minutes…at the minimum 7.50 a card…that’s almost 450 an hour PSA would earn and that’s just at the quarterly special price. Granted PSA has problems with turnaround time even before the pandemic and the pressure to get them through, it doesn’t justify having 1 grader look at a card. That’s a class action looming before them. Considering what they just went through with the last lawsuit, maybe they should fix their website to state it’s only 1 grader.

Sorry, long rant.

[smpratte]

@richi2rich, Thats fair. I think people are saying at minimum they highly doubt numerous graders are looking over each pokemon submission, which are 90% bulk orders. It would be cumbersome.

As for the upper orders that is different. Maybe @garyis2000 can weigh in on the process.

[Charizard1020]

What’s the opinion on this now two years later?

[Dyl]

Biased toward PSA Certification Numbers

I know I’ll get flak for this but I do think the 0xxx-2xxx are the weakest graded pokemon cards. What I mean by that is that I’ve, anecdotally, come across more cards in the lower certs that I felt were “weak” compared to their assigned grade. Yes it’s biased, no there is no statistical analysis showing a distribution of “weaker” cards in the lower certs, but I always look a little closer to scans of certs below 4xxx. I won’t pay for certs since it all comes down to the card

Why are newer PSA cert #s worth more?

Numbers here based on sales. Only vintage pre 2003 cards are used in the calculation. Conclusion: New cert, on average, does hold more value. Around 2.5%~5%. If you have any other market analysis questions, I’m here to help. [image] [image] [image]

I think you’ll find that most people could care less as long as the card itself meets the condition that the grade suggests.

[WayneAlanGrading]

From a logical standpoint it would make sense to put extra eyes on cards with a higher premium, as insurance for these sorts of businesses is in a league of its own (generally something along the lines of fine art insurance). Let’s say someone sends in a 1st Edition Charizard, PSA is now on the line for potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars if the submitter turns around and sells that card, and the buyer disagrees with the grade. It’s of course not that simple, but just from a business standpoint it would be wise to double and triple check cards of high value before coming to a conclusion on it (what some of you guys refer to as “the Charizard tax”). Now assuming this process exists, the question really only is when did it begin? I would have to assume fairly early on, but I of course have no personal knowledge on their internal policies.

[parkermrparker]

Ive seen grades i disagree with and which dont match the companies standards at every cert. ive graded plenty myself, 9s and 10s in different cert eras with dents and other flaws. There is no way in hell PSA can be perfect during grading millions of cards with hundreds of different staff members. Using cert numbers to decide the quality of card is the same and using a cars license plate to determine where they are driving.

[ShinPorygon]

Weak certs are everywhere. For people who think older certs are weaker, check the below psa 10 out:

[pfm]

Everyone knows 67xxx is a weak cert

[Will]

People have it all wrong. You need to look even closer. 671xxx certs are garbage. 762xxx, 763xxx, and 764xxx are gospel. 765xxx through 768xxx are all over the place. 769xxx are always undergraded and are the only certs to buy.

/s

[jabby]

This is why I start saying to ‘buy the card’ and not the cert #.