This seller went out of their way to confirm with PSA that their PSA 10 Base Set 2 Charizard still maintains a PSA 10 grade via CRC. Imagine a world where sellers are required to confirm with the grading company that their older graded 10 matches current standards.
Even stranger - this card was recently graded with a 8727xxx cert. Why did the seller get a new cert number? Was it faked or stolen and required a deactivated cert? So many questions.
Gotta get that new cert -__- honestly some people’s children, I’m personally in favor of not doing this, why update the cert? I get that newer certs are “better” but it’s wierd to see this
this just confirms that 10-11 certs don’t have some magic higher bar to get. this card is far from perfect, it looks like a normal 10 - a couple small surface scratches, bad back centering.
I didn’t realise you could simply request a new cert number under this reasoning. I had thought you could only get a new cert if PSA had contacted you about a cert that had been used in counterfeit situations. I know if you submit your card for a grade review and they keep the same grade it will still have the same cert number so this seems odd.
Why would PSA change the cert number of this card and not just say yes it’s legitimate and keep the original cert like they would do in a normal situation?
Exactly. PSA has a financial incentive to keep the grade the same, regardless of whether the card merits the grade or not. If people want evidence of this, just look at all the threads here where people have tried to get money back from the grade guarantee. Unless there’s something obviously wrong (crease, dent, major edgewear, damaged in encapsulation) PSA usually doesn’t drop grades upon review.
Something like the third-party MBA review is much more effective if sellers want a secondary check on the card grade. But this stuff is just the logical outcome of the delusional process of assigning “easy” and “hard” PSA grading standards based solely off of cert number.
Unless we’re grading the cards ourselves, why are we complaining about the certs? Most of the members on the forum buy 9’s anyway unless you want a 10 and even then trying to find old certs to get in 10’s is kinda wild to me. Grade is Grade, Rayquaza is Rayquaza.
Shhh please let people continue buying up new certs at a large premium so i can keep picking up those FAILING, FAKE NEWS 2x certs for much cheaper…i’m only half-joking cause i’m actually serious lol.
That said…I’d like to know how they got a new cert assigned as well…
I sent in a PSA 10 1st Ed. Shining Charizard through CRC about 4 months ago because the slab had developed some white residue on the back of the card that wasn’t there on the original back slab scan from PSA (late 6x cert card so it had scans luckily)…and while they actually ended up cleaning the residue off the card (they’ll never admit they do this but they’re not trying to pay out if the card needed to be downgraded if they couldn’t get the residue off) and the back looked amazing afterwards + they reslabbed it…but I was definitely not given a new cert number…
I did, however, also get a similar note about their “Director of Grading” personally reviewing my card to make sure the 10 held up, for whatever that mean.
Because they don’t.
I’ve now graded over 400 cards (with some vintage in there) in the 10x cert era and no one can convince me that PSA’s standards have changed in any meaningful way, lol. I have a few hundred slabs in almost every cert era and they all contain a number of cards that have examples of extremely weak and extremely strong representations of their grades. That didn’t change at all with the 10x-11x certs.
Will using this service to get a more recent cert be the new meta to boost the value of your cards before selling? New certs for certain cards command a high enough premium that this may make sense to do.
Of course this is why people get defensive about the critiques of XYZ grading company.
I’ve taken soooo much crap for being pro BGS from PSA- only members.
The reality is many things they say about BGS grading is true in terms of the service and the bells and whistles you get (eg scans) but I believe in the brand.
I see it as buying an asset when it’s undervalued. I can get a 9 for quite a bit less than a PSA 9. As a collector, the only thing that is materially different is the label.
I own all grading companies and each has it’s own pros and cons.
PSA cons are that they are quite inconsistent, grades change all the time, and up charges…but people still use them as they get the most value at auction as they were the first mover.
CGC for example is an objectively similar company to PSA but with better slabs and a cheaper service - but that doesn’t matter to people who already own 90-100% of their slabs in a PSA label.
