I think you are jumping the gun with the theorizing and glossing over the more important, still unanswered, question of whether these are actual disco test prints. You are shoehorning a reason for their existence without having proven (or supplied any proof for) their authenticity.
If their origin is not known, then the origin is, by default, unknown.
If you own these, have you taken a loupe to them to compare their dot matrix to that of actual cards? This seems like a pretty easy first step and, if they match, would help support any theory that they might be true test prints.
The fact is that living the era of stonks and fakes the odds with these kinds of items are that they are fake and that’s what the assumption is, the burden is to prove it to be real instead of other way around so until that is done it will always be seen as a fake. The amount of what if’s isn’t helping to prove anything. You seem to have made your mind that you have something valuable and any opinions suggesting anything else are just getting attacked so not sure if this is really going somewhere
You’re right: the era of “stonks and fakes” does shift the burden. That’s why I’m not asking anyone to believe anything yet. Just documenting carefully in case it turns out to be real.
I’m not the OP — I’m @KingCharizard on TikTok. I acquired the majority of these items and have been doing this quietly until recently. I’ve donated full sheets to the National Videogame Museum and The Strong Museum, and CGC has a few cards right now for review. If they give the green light, the plan is to auction a sheet for Make-A-Wish foundation.
I’ve also done some testing privately and with university help, but I agree: none of that matters until someone like CGC gives it weight. Until then, I’m not here to argue — just trying to move carefully and respectfully through it.
You don’t need to defend yourself. Every buyer—including me—understood the situation going in.
I did my own risk assessment, and for me, the potential reward far outweighed the risk.
None of this would even be possible without your stewardship. You brought these into the light when most people would’ve kept them buried or sold them off without a second thought.
I believe these are artifacts from Pokémon history—blueprints, not bootlegs. Bigger than just high-end collecting. That’s why I’m working to preserve them in museums and support charities in the process.
If and when CGC confirms what I already know… the Pokémon community is in for a surprise.
Just like the original Mickey Mouse sketches, these sheets will be observed, debated, and celebrated long after we’re gone. History doesn’t ask permission-it just shows up!
So who is the authority? Cgc Was the only grading company willing to take anything of this nature on.
If it’s the community, I have inbox’s full between here and eBay of people asking me to sell to them.
And @tidaldreams your right , so Who bootlegs such a niche item that “no one would want unless they’re slabbed” lol with no writing and missing attributes.
So the bootleggers , made bootleg cards that they can’t even sell because they’re basically unplayable without the attacks etc. seems pretty stupid
Let me make it clear I don’t really have a strong opinion on the authenticity of these at all nor am I interested in any particular outcome here.
To me, to show that it is “real”, you have to provide evidence of when it was made, why it was made and how it was made. CGC can offer evidence of the latter but it’s both incomplete evidence and also they now have a history of making significant mistakes.
Were the wrappers and discos picked up from the same vendor a decade ago?
I consider myself to be an expert in authenticating Base packs, and I have many concerns with the uncut wrapper sheets. If they are from the same vendor, I think it even further reduces the chance that the disco holos are authentic.
You seem to have enough samples that mass spectrometry analysis would be possible. In addition to high resolution scans, it would be an easy way to provide elemental composition analysis with other known samples.
It would definitely be worth the cost if you strongly believe they are authentic.
