Moderately Played?

[jcincy101]

Hello,

I bought a couple shadowless charizards that show as moderately played and while they were pretty played, I saw no creases and pulled the trigger. I got the cards and they have a ton of creases on the cards. I messaged the seller for a refund and he basically said “I said moderately played which means it can have creases and I said no refunds on the ad so sorry no refunds.” Is that true that if a listing says MP that creases are acceptable? Maybe I am too cautious when I post my listings but if there is any crease or dent whatsoever I list it as “damaged” and be sure to take close up photos of the damage. Am I wrong that MP means creases?

[acebren]

In my books anything played can have creases, damaged would be missing part of the card, holes in the card, card splitting in 2

The important thing to take out of this is condition is subjective, don’t just take anyone’s word, you need to get quality pictures and judge for yourself…

[poken00b88]

@jcincy101

Hello,

I bought a couple shadowless charizards that show as moderately played and while they were pretty played, I saw no creases and pulled the trigger. I got the cards and they have a ton of creases on the cards. I messaged the seller for a refund and he basically said “I said moderately played which means it can have creases and I said no refunds on the ad so sorry no refunds.” Is that true that if a listing says MP that creases are acceptable? Maybe I am too cautious when I post my listings but if there is any crease or dent whatsoever I list it as “damaged” and be sure to take close up photos of the damage. Am I wrong that MP means creases?

Could you show us the cards or send link to the seller’s listings? Do they describe what condition is to be expected? I’m fairly sure MP usually has possible creasing and such from the listings I’ve seen before.

I’ll just say that MP is like PSA 3-5, it’s very rare you’re not going to have a dent or a crease of some sort… That being said, you should have no problem getting a refund if you bought through or ebay or paypal goods and services.

[zards_r_us]

Moderately played to me can have slight creases but if it’s a severe crease or multiple crease it moves to heavily played and tears and rips and bends would be damaged

[youngbambino]

When I buy anything with a “played” description, I almost automatically assume that the item has creases unless the pictures are excellent and prove otherwise. With that said, I consider a single small crease SP/LP, several small creases MP and multiple significant creases HP. Anything that affects the structural integrity of the card is damage.

From what you’re describing it sounds like the cards were a little closer to heavily played. However, the line is blurry between the different levels and it becomes an opinion base matter very quickly. You would have a case if they were listed as near mint and came with multiple creases, but in this case I think you’re out of luck.

[poken00b88]

@youngbambino

When I buy anything with a “played” description, I almost automatically assume that the item has creases unless the pictures are excellent and prove otherwise. With that said, I consider a single small crease SP/LP, several small creases MP and multiple significant creases HP. Anything that affects the structural integrity of the card is damage.

From what you’re describing it sounds like the cards were a little closer to heavily played. However, the line is blurry between the different levels and it becomes an opinion base matter very quickly. You would have a case if they were listed as near mint and came with multiple creases, but in this case I think you’re out of luck.

Agreed. As a buyer, he’d probably win the case if the creases aren’t showing on the pictures but if it was a reasonable deal OP should just take it as a lesson learned.

I know that I personally don’t even trust most LP listings so if I were to buy something that is MP I’d just expect PSA 1 level sort of bad and pay the absolute rock bottom price the card is worth. In this case, probably up to $100 per card. It’s too much of a shot in the dark, especially since most dealers use stock photos or only show one side of a card.

[woolsluk]

If i post up a card and the description of the condition has the word played (i use light and heavily) then the card is going to have creases. Not gonna lie if i was the seller i would definitely not be happy about giving a refund in this case.

[teraz]

Link?

[pfm]

It sounds like you bought something listed as “blue” and are disappointed it arrived looking a little “turquoise”.

There’s no strict objective meaning to any of these phrases that describe condition. That’s why grading companies exist. As others have said, if you’re buying something based on the description from the seller, you’re gonna have a bad time.

If the photos are not of the same card or hide damage deceptively, that’s a different story.

[duceee2]

probs going to need to see the listing + pics of the card to really make a judgement, but realistically anything listed as played i would expect them to have creases.

[Kampes_Cards]

Everyone has different expectations, I would say anything with a crease automatically goes into the damaged category. No matter how small.

[acebren]

@Kampes_Cards

Everyone has different expectations, I would say anything with a crease automatically goes into the damaged category. No matter how small.

cards with creases can get PSA 6’s, would you call a PSA 6 damaged?

[Kampes_Cards]

@acebren

@Kampes_Cards

Everyone has different expectations, I would say anything with a crease automatically goes into the damaged category. No matter how small.

cards with creases can get PSA 6’s, would you call a PSA 6 damaged?

If it has a crease, yes. That’s like saying all psa 10s are the same.

[acebren]

@Kampes_Cards

@acebren

cards with creases can get PSA 6’s, would you call a PSA 6 damaged?

If it has a crease, yes. That’s like saying all psa 10s are the same.

thank god for grading companies

[KingPokemon]

I’ve never bought or sold a card listed as played so I’m no expert but…if I did I wouldn’t be surprised by creases.
Maybe it’s best to steer clear of unknown sellers or anything played with?

[oldskoolpokemon]

Honestly, you could open an “Item not as Described” eBay Case against the seller - and knowing eBay, they would definitely rule in your favor. It’s really up to you to decide the best course of action in this situation.

Personally, “Played is Played”. LOL I really don’t understand the logic behind sub-grades when you get into Played Condition.

[poken00b88]

@Kampes_Cards

@acebren

cards with creases can get PSA 6’s, would you call a PSA 6 damaged?

If it has a crease, yes. That’s like saying all psa 10s are the same.

As you said, everyone has different expectations but that just goes to show how many Pokemon collectors have been spoiled with Mint product for so many years they just can’t appreciate anything less. A card that has gone through the washing machine or that was folded in half and an overall NM/M card that has a tiny imperfection(crease or binder dent) like the example acebren gave shouldn’t be put in the same category.

Damaged is usually a card that would return from PSA with no grade. In most cases, they aren’t even tournament legal as you could feel the damage even through a sleeve.

[Kampes_Cards]

@poken00b88

@Kampes_Cards

If it has a crease, yes. That’s like saying all psa 10s are the same.

As you said, everyone has different expectations but that just goes to show how many Pokemon collectors have been spoiled with Mint product for so many years they just can’t appreciate anything less. A card that has gone through the washing machine or that was folded in half and an overall NM/M card that has a tiny imperfection(crease or binder dent) like the example acebren gave shouldn’t be put in the same category.

Damaged is usually a card that would return from PSA with no grade. In most cases, they aren’t even tournament legal as you could feel the damage even through a sleeve.

I don’t buy raw to collect so I don’t expect anything, my perspective comes from a sellers standpoint. If a card has a crease, I list it as damaged.

[jcincy101]

@Kampes_Cards

@poken00b88

As you said, everyone has different expectations but that just goes to show how many Pokemon collectors have been spoiled with Mint product for so many years they just can’t appreciate anything less. A card that has gone through the washing machine or that was folded in half and an overall NM/M card that has a tiny imperfection(crease or binder dent) like the example acebren gave shouldn’t be put in the same category.

Damaged is usually a card that would return from PSA with no grade. In most cases, they aren’t even tournament legal as you could feel the damage even through a sleeve.

I don’t buy raw to collect so I don’t expect anything, my perspective comes from a sellers standpoint. If a card has a crease, I list it as damaged.

Seems like most on here agree with seller so I won’t ask for refund. Agree though as a seller any creases I put as damaged, period but I guess I’m learning others don’t

[geg89]

Moderately Played

Cards in Moderately Played condition exhibit condition issues visible at a casual glance. Cards in Moderately Played condition can have border wear, corner wear, scratching or scuffing, creases or whitening, minor dirt buildup or any combination of mild examples of these marks.

Played (PL)

Cards in Played condition show definite wear. Cards in this condition could have a number of grading issues to the card, listed below. Played cards won’t necessarily look similar to one another. Played cards are always legal for tournament play in a sleeve.

Scratching
Minor Bends
Shuffle Crease
Moderate Border Wear
Moderate Foil Border Wear
Moderate Corner Wear
Minor Mid-Card Whitening
Very Minor Dirt
Very Minor Water Damage
Binder Impressions
Any Non-Flat Cards
Any Non-Flat Foil Cards
Moderate Misprints/Printing Defects
Signed/Stamped Cards

Any minor shuffle creasing from the top, side, or bottom of the card. Shuffle creasing that moves more than 15% top-to-bottom or 20% left-to-right reduces the card grade to Heavily Played.

Played cards can have multiple issues listed above. The more unique issues a Played card has, the more likely it is to be graded Heavily Played instead.

Played (PL)

A Played card looks as bad as you can get a card through regular use without sleeves.

A Played card looks extremely bad, and it is doubtful if the card is tournament legal even in a sleeved deck. However, the card has not been tampered with otherwise (inked border, random scribblings on the card etc.).

The Amercian equivalent usually is Heavily Played or Good.

Moderately Played (MP)

Moderately Played condition cards have moderate wear, or flaws apparent to the naked eye. Moderately Played condition cards can show moderate border wear, mild corner wear, water damage, scratches , creases or fading, light dirt buildup, or any combination of these defects.