Is Unlimited more rare than 1st Ed. in Japanese?

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All unlimited E1 cards are rare, except for Ponyta whom came in a magazine, so yes. :slight_smile:

Best of luck with your grade.

Greetz,
Quuador

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Hello There, sorry to up this topic
Do we have any information in the pop between 1st ed and unlim ed on the XY era ?
Some sets feels ridiculously low pop, and i dont know why

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Sorry I have no info, just wanted to say I love your profile pic! Did you draw that yourself?

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No, its not from me :sweat_smile:
Its from Dalton stark

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XY also had low print runs for unlimited. I am unsure of the ratio. All I know is a few of them are really hard to find.

Note for people using pop reports - this doesn’t give an accurate ratio. For years, very few people graded unlimited cards.

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I have spoken to 4 separate auction houses in the uk and usa and they all have the same answer to its origin. Seems to be from a ‘learn to play’ event at pokemon centres in japan in 2001 when there were only 2 pokemon centres in the whole of Japan. So im inclined to believe this maybe the answer. Still dont know the total pop handed out but they all seem to think between 25-100

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Did anyone you spoke with cite their source?

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E4 is likely more knowledgeable on cards than auction houses. Your best answer would be finding someone in Japan who was actually there at the time.

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Currently waiting in that response now. In hindsight i should have waited until i got rhat information to post. Will update asap

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If an auction house does cite a source, I’m fairly positive they will use E4 as a reference. I am absolutely certain that an auction house couldn’t find out the history of a card if even the members of E4 are stumped. Like @eeveeteam says, the information is here if any where.

I believe the first reference of this ‘learn to play’ was from the sale of a Charizard. These two posts in particular;

This blog post also compiles the majority of information found within this thread and others into one regarding E1.

There’s many threads to read on here about E1 unlimited, as I’m sure you’re well aware of already. There is a lot of information within these posts to dissect, some of them speckled with loose translations or speculation and others will have some truth. Possibly conflicting statements could be both true if there were multiple distribution methods or it’s possible people don’t recall exactly what happened.

one day we will uncover the mystery

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Hi, you mentioned BW4 as not having unlimited edition, and this seems correct, and you also mention Red Collection with this trait further down in the discussion, which also seems correct, but I’d like to point to Bulbapedia, which says BW8 (Spiral Force/Thunder Knuckle) is wierd, where both have 1st ed, while ONLY Thunder Knuckle has 1st, meaning Spiral Force BW8 should also be added to this list. I’ll admit I did not do any research to find any Spiral Force unlimited cards, but I figured this would be a good place to ask if anyone else has any, and if this seems real, add it to the post.

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Spiral force does not have unlimited, thunder knuckle does.

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Agreed with above, Spiral Force does not have unlimited. At one time Eevee had 1 in PSA pop report for unlimited. I saw the card listed on ebay and it was the Thunder Knuckle artwork.
I was likely the person who asked Quuador to update Bulbapedia with the wording you mentioned

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That post of mine is pretty old. For a more accurate list, I can refer to this thread:

And as mentioned by @eeveeteam above, he made the discovery and I edited it on Bulbapedia (and the thread linked above) at the time. I haven’t edited every existing old post of mine like this Is Unlimited more rare than 1st Ed. in Japanese? thread we’re in. :person_shrugging: (Although I’ve added a disclaimer edit to that post just yet in case anyone else comes across this thread first in the future.)

Greetz,
Quuador

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