Is this STAFF stamp legit ???

[pichufan]

@churlocker

@pichufan

Oh, regarding my Matchprint post? I’d hardly call that a guide, that’s more of a shopping list than anything.

@jkanly I wouldn’t even know where to begin with trying to fake these but I’m pretty sure it’d be a lot harder and a lot less lucrative than doing it with the Matchprint cards.

It would be easier than the match prints if we are talking about actual reproductions with matching qualities.

I don’t know, the time and money involved in identifying the correct font face, thickness, pressure, positioning and colour of the stamp to begin with probably wouldn’t be worth it. Even if you did manage to perfect those the raw prerelease cards aren’t that much different in price to the staff cards from what I can tell (and you’d presumably need as mint as possible condition otherwise you’d need to add fake wear to the stamp as well) and I’m sure you wouldn’t get it right every single time.

The Italian seller’s Charizard cards stood out as fake because the font face and thickness were incorrect. In person I’m sure the pressure and colour would have looked slightly off as well.

The profit margin would probably be very low and the effort involved would be pretty high.

[churlocker]

@pichufan

@churlocker

It would be easier than the match prints if we are talking about actual reproductions with matching qualities.

I don’t know, the time and money involved in identifying the correct font face, thickness, pressure, positioning and colour of the stamp to begin with probably wouldn’t be worth it. Even if you did manage to perfect those the raw prerelease cards aren’t that much different in price to the staff cards from what I can tell (and you’d presumably need as mint as possible condition otherwise you’d need to add fake wear to the stamp as well) and I’m sure you wouldn’t get it right every single time.

The Italian seller’s Charizard cards stood out as fake because the font face and thickness were incorrect. In person I’m sure the pressure and colour would have looked slightly off as well.

The profit margin would probably be very low and the effort involved would be pretty high.

I’m not commenting on the financial incentives.

But the raw difficulty of producing a matchprint is greater. Your method failed.

[jkanly]

@pichufan

@churlocker

Its a joke about writing another guide on how to counterfeit an item

Oh, regarding my Matchprint post? I’d hardly call that a guide, that’s more of a shopping list than anything.

@jkanly I wouldn’t even know where to begin with trying to fake these but I’m pretty sure it’d be a lot harder and a lot less lucrative than doing it with the Matchprint cards.

It was a joke that I hope wasn’t taken as me picking on you. My humor is usually pretty dry.

As @churlocker said, the stamps are not terribly difficult to fake.

[quuador]

@pichufan

Here’s an outlandish thought:

What if different stamping machines were used for these cards? The cards shown here are European, so it would make sense for them to be stamped in Europe (as presumably the cards would already be in Europe before head counts and whatnot had been calculated for how many cards needed stamps applying to them).

The seller of the fake stamp Charizard was Italian - do Italian Evolutions cards exist with a ‘STAFF’ stamp, or could Italians have been given English cards instead?

I certainly don’t believe the Italian seller’s Charizards to have real stamps on them (they look like they use a different font face), but it definitely doesn’t feel like to much of a stretch to assume different machines could have been used which could have lead to such inconsistencies with this Gyarados card.

FWIW, when I saw this post I’ve checked my Prerelease STAFF stamped SM46 Seviper cards, which I have in English, German, French, Italian, and Spanish. All those stamps look exactly the same (although the English ones are slightly shifted towards the right in comparison for some reason, not sure what’s up with that). Of course, these SM promo STAFF stamps came a few years after the XY Evolutions ones, but I think that German Charizard STAFF is indeed fake when comparing it to the other STAFF stamps.

Greetz,
Quuador

[papafrankgod]

@quuador

@pichufan

Here’s an outlandish thought:

What if different stamping machines were used for these cards? The cards shown here are European, so it would make sense for them to be stamped in Europe (as presumably the cards would already be in Europe before head counts and whatnot had been calculated for how many cards needed stamps applying to them).

The seller of the fake stamp Charizard was Italian - do Italian Evolutions cards exist with a ‘STAFF’ stamp, or could Italians have been given English cards instead?

I certainly don’t believe the Italian seller’s Charizards to have real stamps on them (they look like they use a different font face), but it definitely doesn’t feel like to much of a stretch to assume different machines could have been used which could have lead to such inconsistencies with this Gyarados card.

FWIW, when I saw this post I’ve checked my Prerelease STAFF stamped SM46 Seviper cards, which I have in English, German, French, Italian, and Spanish. All those stamps look exactly the same (although the English ones are slightly shifted towards the right in comparison for some reason, not sure what’s up with that). Of course, these SM promo STAFF stamps came a few years after the XY Evolutions ones, but I’m I think that German Charizard STAFF is indeed fake when comparing it to the other STAFF stamps.

Greetz,
Quuador

Thanks for taking the time! I will used them and compare all the staff cards he has for sale. So you believe the charizard and gyarados are not legit right?

[quuador]

@papafrankgod

Thanks for taking the time! I will used them and compare all the staff cards he has for sale. So you believe the charizard and gyarados are not legit right?

Based on the pictures I’d say the Gyarados is indeed not legit, but don’t quote me on it. Based on some of the other comments, the seller most likely is unaware of this him-/herself.

Here a real German STAFF stamped card I was able to find through google images you could add to your comparisons perhaps. Unfortunately not too great of a picture for comparing the STAFF stamps… (Apparently this one is also available for sale on eBay right now.)

Greetz,
Quuador

[papafrankgod]

Here is a more decent pic of the same card the seller kindly provided

[papafrankgod]

I find the “T” to be very thick compared to the real charizard and the german gyarados Quadoor posted, the shape of the “S” and the second “F” are off too and they look poorly indented as mentioned by AzulRyu. Considering all these factors I will have to pass on this one.

[papafrankgod]

Thank you all for the help!