I also called Btc top at 115k-120k.
Cycle still isn’t over.
Odd to get so emotional over magic internet beans.
I’ll remind you that in 2026 BTC literally has zero use case and is almost entirely propped up by Sailor and Binance bots, and it’s come out that it was funded initially by Epstein.
Cope
I am willing to bet you whatever amount of money or slabs you want that btc will not be flipped by an altcoin in this or the next cycle, we can use smpratte as a middleman
Regarding usecase: btc does everything gold does but better. I cannot cross borders with more than 10k$ in gold without being treated like a criminal. I can cross borders with a trillion dollar worth of bitcoin. It is by far the best store of value which cannot be seized from your hands (unless you lack basic opsec and intelligence) People don’t internalize how amazing that is. +80% of the world live in authoritarian/corrupt/dictatorships
/inflationary countries, you take the value of your dollar and the safety of your country for granted, other’s dont
saylor, binance
R/buttcoin tier argument
Btc has been the best performing asset of the last 100 years long before binance and saylor joined.
It has the network effect, the hashrate, the safety, the decentralization which altcoins will never have and that is why they are all -98% as usual. As i said, i still love altcoins though, has been an amazing tool to multiply my btc bag. It is like a casino in your odds if you know what you are doing, you simply need to treat it like musical chairs knowing it is all vaporware
Here a cool website for you to track, if you invested 100$ every time btc was declared finished, you would have 70 million dollars right now and regarding emotional over magic internet beans, of course I am, secured the life of my entire blood line for good. The only asset class which makes me more emotional is cardboard
If you feel so strongly about it’s supposed value, keep investing into it, bro. There’s your bet, no need to squable with other posters who disagree with your assessment. Obviously though, you think it’s sure fire so go ahead.
I only recently learned that Saylor is not even the CEO anymore. He lost roughly $12 billion in adjusted dollars in 2000 in a single day. He is a bet it all on black kind of guy and it seems absurd himself and Strategy hold 5% of a “finite” asset with an additional 20% likely lost forever.
I don’t really see what is stopping a large market fund from doing a massive crowd funded short attack and just walking away with all the imaginary money because it was so leveraged and didn’t need much of a push.
your description of bitcoin makes it sound only useful for laundering money, buying drugs, or traffiking other high value illegal “assets” 
and the performance of bitcoin is meaningless, if you had a time machine u coulda invested in any number of tech stocks, or even psa 10 pokeslabs, vintage booster boxes etc and have similar performance if bitcoin didnt exist
Zardy, c’mon
C’mon Zardy
You can do this with any crypto and others are cheaper and faster?
“Store of value” → down 50% (yes, if you hold long enough blah blah blah, but nothing is guaranteed to go back up).
Risk vs reward of BTC → it sucks. If you’re in crypto you want the highest gains for your risk. BTC is not that.
Microstrategy is the next btc black swan. The financial plan makes sense. Literally just fugazi. It feels like a ponzi.
But people like @RoyalOak don’t want to admit it has major issues.
I already gave you an answer to that, any other crypto is less secure and not as decentralized. Most altcoins can literally be frozen including all stable coins, they lack security, can be exploited, are way more volatile and overall just dogshit scams made to flip for more bitcoin. There are weekly altcoin network exploits. Hundreds this year alone.
How many times has solana halted its network for example, lol. Just recently sui did aswell, just 2 days ago zec got exploited and these are top 50 alts. Yes they are cheaper because they are more centralized. Security is not free. I do not trust my networth some altcoin network being held together by 20 nodes aka in the hands of 20 individuals or which can be 51% attacked for the cost of a bagel
Maybe for a venezuelan trying to survive some altcoins with extremely cheap fees can make sense to escape their local currency, btc fees has been dropping exponentially too however.
Regarding your last point, i do not disagree with you, thats what i mean with buy altcoins to flip, just dont drink the koolaid and become a bagholder (or think they will ever flip btc). They will eventually all go to zero with very few exceptions, history has proven that.
This is financial advice with genuine wholesome intentions
Let’s use some math shall we
Let’s say btc goes to $30k and saylor increases the strc dividend rate to 14%
Then his annual dividend burden would be around 2b$ per year and his btc stack would be worth 25b$
He can deplete his treasury by 8% over one year to pay the divs if btc stays flat at 30k$
So the doomsday scenario to take saylor out is you expect btc to go to 15k$ and remain there for like 3 years? Not gonna happen.
Either way, you are supossed to treat black swans as a chance. Like buy the ftx black swan at 16k$ and sell into the trump mania at +110k$ and so on so incase saylor goes bust (he won’t) treat it as a gift
Longterm all of this is just irrelevant noise though. There will always be another saylor, they will come and go
See above
Pray tell what is the use case for XRP?
I used ChatGPT as I cba
Here’s a version that frames why XRP/XRPL exists versus other crypto networks, while keeping it understandable for a BTC maxi and avoiding hype:
Bitcoin is trying to be the best money. XRP and the XRP Ledger are trying to be the best value-routing system.
Think of it like this:
BTC = digital gold 
XRPL = financial routing infrastructure
The question isn’t just “can it move tokens?” — almost every chain can.
The question is: what makes XRPL specifically good at moving value between assets?
Many chains started with smart contracts, memes, or DeFi and later tried to become payment networks.
XRPL was designed around:
Fast settlement (seconds)
Very low transaction costs
High throughput
Predictable fees
For moving money, predictability matters more than maximum decentralization.
Most chains need external apps or protocols for exchanging assets.
XRPL has a decentralized exchange built directly into the ledger.
This means:
USD token ↔ EUR token
Stablecoin ↔ XRP
Gold token ↔ Fiat token
without needing a separate layer.
Less complexity = fewer moving parts.
This is where XRPL becomes different.
The network can automatically search for the most efficient route between assets.
Think of it like GPS for liquidity.
You send:
EUR → MXN
The network may route:
EUR token → USD stablecoin → XRP → MXN token
or
EUR token → XRP → MXN token
or another route entirely.
Users don’t need to manually find liquidity pairs.
Most chains require deep liquidity for every trading pair.
That creates a scaling problem:
100 currencies = thousands of liquidity pairs.
XRPL’s model says:
Use one liquid bridge asset when needed.
This reduces the amount of direct liquidity required.
Compared to Ethereum:
Ethereum is more programmable, but payments often become expensive or less predictable during congestion.
Compared to Solana:
Solana is fast, but XRPL’s architecture was purpose-built around payments and asset issuance rather than maximizing app ecosystems.
Compared to stablecoin-only systems:
Stablecoins still need liquidity routing between jurisdictions, currencies, and issuers.
Compared to Bitcoin:
Bitcoin optimizes for decentralization and scarcity, not asset routing.
Bitcoin optimizes for storing value.
(I disagree with this premise as I feel it’s literally cope as BTC is crap at it’s original premise, aka payments, and maxis have tried to change the narrative from money to “value storage”/gold, but whatever)
XRPL optimizes for moving value between assets with minimal friction.
Or even shorter:
XRPL is liquidity infrastructure.
I’ve tried to stop talking about bitcoin here (good luck with that), but glad to see another here who sees it. It’s easy to not recognize how valuable sovereign control over your own capital is when you live in a (mostly) functioning democracy and have a bank account
Edit: what I mean is I’m mostly just baffled that most people can’t see bitcoin’s value. I think it’s the most remarkable piece of monetary computer science technology ever created. Even the US military said recently that they run a node use bitcoin for nationally security and power protection. https://youtube.com/shorts/fn9xlxTBS24?si=2lJ9RaW3WumY1Srt
I also still don’t understand people saying it’s not useful for anything but crime. (As an aside though, consider that in an authoritarian government where certain laws are human rights violations, then you have a moral duty to break the law and in that case bitcoin is technically being used criminally, but only as a means to subvert oppression).
Anyways, the information is out there. A lot of examples over the past decade, many instances condensed into an easy read book. I’ve referenced it before, but curious how many critics have actually read it. Bitcoin may not be useful to you in a western nation, yet, but it is objectively already useful for many. And it’s also just useful to have true ownership over your wealth, that seems like an obvious advantage for personal freedom to me.
anyways. I love bitcoin and it’s hard not to talk about it, just a small reprise but will go back to just observing. @RoyalOak is on point though and seems more resilient than I am and glad to see the discussion.
The usecase is that ripple got 55 billion premined tokens for free, (they simply minted it out of thin air) and every quarter it converts some of that into hundreds of millions of dollars by dumping said shitcoin on retail. They are able to do that because they made up their own consensus and validators. It has nothing to do with real cryptography nor decentralisation, it is basically a bank with a public ledger. Their main gig is to engineer exit liquidity by sophisticated marketing campaigns.
You will find deluded xrp shills amongst soccer moms and fanatic redditors. The usual slogan is “xrp is trading at a dollar, imagine if it trades one day at half the price of bitcoin” ignoring the concept of marketcap and supply. Seriously, easily +80% of xrp buyers bought because they lack basis financial literacy and ripple plays right into it. From time to time they bribe a banking exec or two for more “partnership” marketing. Quite common 2017 tier shitcoin bingo, (vechain, omisego, waltonchain, all similar playbook and scams) nowadays nobody falls for it anymore.
That’s literally all there is to it, this rug orchistrated by literal bankers is quite apparent for anyone who has been into crypto for longer than a cycle or two. With that being said it used to be one of the best performing shitcoins 2 cycles ago, was really good money but now it’s over for good and whats left is the army of deluded baggies
This is every single crypto though basically.
I can memorize my seed phrase with my alts, get on a plane and take my $ wherever I want with zero govts control…all crypto can do this - not just BTC.
But what happens when you want to turn it into fiat? You need to use a centralized exchange.
BTC is not exempt from this. ALL cryptos have this issue.
So like…this argument is completely pointless.
Ya pulling me back in!
I never framed it like bitcoin is the only vehicle that serves this specific function, but I said bitcoin and not other crypto because it has a lot more going for it that makes it the ideal savings vehicle for underdeveloped nations. Absolute scarcity, permissionless, uncensorable, most secure etc. Also, the off-ramp on-ramp issue isn’t really an issue, there are many services, even individuals you can trade with. Bitcoin is easy to access anywhere in the world with an internet connection and can be done without identity verification in various ways.
Functionally you can hold value digitally with stablecoins too, but Bitcoin is the most secure and decentralized currency protocol that requires the fewest permissions. If the government coerces Tether to lock your stablecoins then you’re SOL. No one can block your bitcoin UTXOs. Also, depending on your jurisdiction you may not have many options to exchange other crypto for local currency, whereas almost every jurisdiction has bitcoin services/ATMs. The network effect is a big advantage.
Other crypto have more centralizing risks as well, like ETH chain has been rolled back multiple times for example, as well as having many bugs. These cryptos can work for what I described, but they’re less secure and not ubiquitous and it’s easier to use and access bitcoin for a majority of the world.
If you have any stories of people using XRP to subvert oppressive regimes or to hide finances away from their abusive husband in middle eastern countries, so they can save enough to escape, I’m all ears. My post is in no way meant to suggest other crypto can’t serve the role of money in some ways, but they don’t tick as many boxes as bitcoin for ideal money.
My post was never intended to compare it to other crypto though, but every time bitcoin is mentioned you seem to want to bring up how XRP is so much better, so that’s the only reason I’m even comparing them. I don’t really have anything against them, but also don’t care about other crypto so I really only focus bitcoin’s merits relative to the traditional finance system.
Nonsense, there are cash otc networks in literally every part of the world, tons of websites with verified accounts and feedbacks, sure if you happen to be a neurotic basement dweller (generally speaking, not you) meeting strangers might not be your thing but the volume runs into billions. It is not any different than any other private transaction revolving around cash.
Meet in 5 star hotel lobbies, do test transactions and you will be fine. Ive found otc as far as lagos and kalkotta with zero issues. In places like uae, amsterdam, kiew (even now durring war) or hongkong you can literally swap 10s of millions in cash privately.
That is the entire point of sovereignty. You do not (totally) depend on centralized entities and the state anymore, that comes with it’s own risks, nobody forcing you to take it but plenty people do.
Again, you do not need to quote me some news article how some kids got slaughtered and tortured for their crypto, that happens in less than .0001% or whatever cases + that also happens in many other business transactions. It is a non 0 risk which comes with it. Deal in places where there is cctv and lots of people or official otc offices with tons of reputation. You would do the same if you sold a valuable item to someone face to face, i do the same when selling high end slabs for cash.
Besides otc, there are also atms in many parts of the world, plenty without kyc, some with kyc depending on the jurisdiction of the country
Regarding your other point why btc and not other cryptos, i gave you an answer twice already and so did the lad above me, with that being said most otc networks also run on usdt for convenience so there is definitely a usecase there, just keep in mind that it is a means of transaction which can be frozen at anytime so treat it like a cold shower, quick in and out if you need to.
Anyhow not arguing this topic further, genuinely hope xrp prints you a million, cheers
There’s a joke in there somewhere about establishing/upholding one’s sovereignty from within the confines of a fully programmed matrices… Let alone the ‘store of value’ narrative…
C’mon give the 3 letter agencies a little more credit than that. You are telling me that the one digital coin supposedly positioned above all others, and pumped up by most if not all mainstream news sources for the last decade or so isn’t a shill? It’s a frickin’ bug zapper if I’ve ever seen one. There are use cases with all crypto, some more than others, but it’s not outside the control and manipulation by those who created it. You have no idea who ‘Satoshi’ even is, and yet you are reliant on “his” system…
This isn’t quite accurate. Correlations no matter how loose and secondary/proxy to broader economic conditions have existed between the two. Not only between Pokémon and Bitcoin, but Pokémon and various other assets. It’s very much a ‘loose’ correlation though because the common economic denominator is actually the underlying correlator, but speculative investment appetites shared between the two from common buyers has contributed to price rises in both, presenting the definitive “mutual link”.
I think people prefer to say there is no or has been no correlation between the two because they’re distinct assets (I know some people cringe at calling Pokémon an asset, but just to illustrate the point..) with no inherent properties fundamentally linking the two, and in alternate conditions provably behave differently. Even though not technically accurate I agree it’s the more sensible take since “correlation” could be misleading or imply the opposite.
lol, not that any of these semantics even matter anyway, it’s just fruitlessly splitting hairs at this point.
Because a lot of people actually like Pokémoncards.
