I’m not being aggressive. Just letting the OP know that you’re opinion comes from someone who doesn’t know what a CGC perfect is. So they should probably take it with a grain of salt.
CGC is not getting crazy premiums nor is anyone arguing that they should for 99% of the cards. This is part of my confusion for the overwhelming cgc hate I see (not from you just generally). If they bumped everyone’s grades and started getting crazy money for them then sure people could be upset and it’d be extremely justified, but the 10s rarely go for half a PSA 10. And many pristines match or go for less than a PSA 10. There isn’t much to be upset about anymore. The prices have settled to their own tiers. Perfects are obsolete and represented their attempt at black labels before they realized that only bgs customers will pay for that stuff.
I understand where you are coming from, I just didn’t appreciate my validity coming into question. While I graded only a handful of times with CGC, I did buy quite a few and even cross graded them over the years. I just try to caution anyone doing any business with or close to CGC due to their inconsistency in grades and business dealings.
I didn’t mean to sound like I was insulting you or calling you a noob. I sell and collect CGC a lot but I’m not oblivious to the issues facing the brand rn. The brand and by extension, the people like me who collect it get a decent amount of crap about it. I’d also offer caution to people who wanna get into buying/selling CGC. The brand is going through pretty obvious growing pains rn and a lot lot of people are losing big-time from that
Selling cgc is an extremely difficult task rn. Not just finding people but moreso knowing how to price stuff. The people who auction them have balls of steel
As a casual perfect 10 bidder, I’ll buy cards I like as long as they’re less than 2x psa 10 price. I don’t even normally buy psa 10s, so it’s a little off brand, but I’ve managed to buy maybe 5 of them so far.
I don’t expect them to be especially valuable in the future, but do think of psa 10 value as a sort of floor. Given they’re obsolete, at least for now (who knows), I could tell I would have been disappointed if I didn’t have a few I liked.
It’s hard to keep a consistent mental framework of the various CGC grades. When they started grading, I would submit modern newback japanese cards that would easily PSA 10 and typically they got 8.5-9.5. I was only ever able to grade a handful of Pristine or perfect 10s. The rate was about 1:200 cards. Frankly, I could not really discern the difference between 9.5s and 10s.
I think it may have left a lot of collective memories but around the time they released the pop report and the new blue label design, they started grading pristines and perfects at like a 10x rate (which was reflected in the pop report data).
But functionally they had three different grading standards. It’s really hard to define what each grade actually looks like. They need to stabilize their system for a few more years
Don’t listen to the nonsense. The market values modern Cgc pristines and perfects much higher than PSA 10 in nearly all situations, Just list it at $300 and see what offers come in
Modern has accepted CGC more because modern definitely needs a grade higher than a standard 10 to maintain any sort of scarcity. I think we’ve discussed it before. Cgc has work to do to get more vintage fans on board but ATM it’s good to buy
now thats just silly have you ever sold a pokeman before? coz buying cgc perfects at a psa 10 price or below is literally free money i’d buy every one in existence at that price
100%! I think it actually highlights how its not what CGC or even BGS is doing, and more the market & increased modern print quality. Your point about vintage cements that fact. CGC struggles in vintage because cards are actually harder to grade, which is where a fleshed out grading scale would thrive. I’ve always beat a dead horse how that’s the way to compete with PSA, but slow and steady isn’t as sexy as stonks. Right now, and probably indefinitely, non-PSA companies are primarily super 10 targets.
It’s gonna be an interesting next couple of years. I hope they do well. Competition is good and I generally like all the changes they made. And at the same time I really can’t complain buying cards I want for my collection at these prices. Though I will say when it comes to selling I’m tempted to just pull most of my CGC 10 vintage and just hodl them. Even if they’re not ones I need for a PC goal, I probably currently value them more than the market does. It’s tough to know you graded a pack fresh vintage 10 and make maybe 25% more than raw. At least that’s tough for me lol
After sending 500+ cards to cgc back when they first started grading tcg it was unbelievable to me how tough they were on grading. Not that its a bad thing. Was just surprised by it. Almost as if they were giving cards lower grades on purpose to seem strict, rather than give it the grade it deserves. Not saying they were actually doing that but it felt like that… Low and behold… a year or two later cgc turns around and basically says “you guys remember those cards that really deserved a 10 and we gave you a lower grade instead? Yea well you were right and we played you haha BUT if you pay us AGAIN well give you the grade it actually deserved the first time around and also fuck your own face” yea after that I kinda didnt want to send any more of my cards to cgc or buy any cards from cgc. And now its no surprise that the “perfect” 10s are tough to price. Theyre the reason its tough to price. At least their customer service is top tier and their cases are some of the most transparent cases on the market.
