First TCG Card to Cross 100k & 200k at PSA

The fact that this card has any value greater than $5-10 is shocking to me. I miss this hobby before grading and the bros.

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so what you’re saying is now is the perfect time to invest

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It’s a shock that pokemon has managed to convince millions of people that modern is investable. Extremely extremely impressive on their end.

I wonder (and doubt) what it’d be like if wotc maintained ownership of the tcg. Seeing how they handle mtg I suspect it’d be a lot worse. Maybe we’d have product on the shelves tho :joy:

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They both managed to keep the quality up for about 4 years.

I mean Pokemon’s quality is without a doubt good rn. It’s just amazing how much they managed to control the narrative of a modern tcg to the point where people thought modern was a better investment than vintage for the longest time. It could speak to the audience they reach more than their own management but I think they have some handle on it

We’re really only a couple months into the stonker bros discovering vintage and they’ve exploded

Still is :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:

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Champagne GIFs  Tenor

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It absolutely works when it has no business working I don’t disagree

Still no PSA 1.5!

Why wouldn´t it be investable? The arts are liked, the POP´s are high, but there are many more people in it now.

If I wanted to make profit, I’d be into modern, where the price can still multiply within a shorter timeframe and is easier to liquidate.

A modern card can go from $200 to $400 quicker than a vintage card can go from $20k to $40k. There are also more people who can afford to drop $400 compared to those who can drop $40k.

But on the flip side, if the market starts to go on a downtrend then I’d expect vintage to hold onto value better than modern.

So basically I feel both are investable, just with different levels of risk and appreciation.

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just not investable by any traditional investment metric. Clearly none of that matters now

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I mean, I know that´s the common sentiment here, but I see it a bit different. It´s clearly more risky, but these cards have stayed strong for about 6 years now, so they´re not a traditional bubble. They´re just in demand.

I don´t know what you mean by traditional investment metrics, but if you ask me investing in commodity´s comes down to simple scarcity and demand. If demand stays strong, and I don´t see why it wouldn´t, then it´s just another Pokémoninvestment.

That being said, it is indeed more risky, and I would advice no-one to go all in on something that´s maximum hoarded like Prismatic Evolutions.

if demand does not, they have nothing else to fall back on. The last 6 years have been a big bull run so many new people dont know how to react if their cards dont go up constantly

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It´s tricky, that´s for sure. But a constant bull-run it is not. Many Sword & Shield sets have seen big stagnation periods as well. We also have to remember that so many people came in during that period. There´s a big chance that these sets will do the same that vintage does despite having higher counts. But, again, that does make it more tricky.

im glad people think so, as long as they do the free money prints itself

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I would say that the SWSH chase cards, (discounting ES Rayquaza and Moonbreon), are back to, or within 15% if their October peak prices.

Anything Zard and most things Pikachu are above.

Everything did take a big whack over christmas, but things are pulling up again as people look for stuff they deem “undervalued” or whatever

its a problem for modern that everyone is hyper focused on price right out of the gate. The market movers who spend the money on large qtys of modern do not care for it beyond the prices. To have high value vintage at this point you need to have cared about it at some point.

I personally just dont trust this foundation for pricing as I have said before. I only stand to lose from modern devaluing but I am not one to lie to push an agenda either

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I want to emphasise though, as I don´t know if people will take advice out of this, that I do think it´s more tricky. But, if you have been doing this long enough, you start to see the paterns. A set like Evolving Skies will have a lot of nostalgia to it, and these sets weren´t mass hoarded yet.

It´s just cycles constantly. Vintage goes up, modern stagnates, ect. With Pokémon, so far, it has pretty much always gone up. Now there are definitely bubbly spots, but I don´t see them in modern as a whole.

If demand and interest for Pokémon fades away over time, just remember that massive amount of vintage cards were actually played with or thrown away. Now kids treat modern cards as a museum piece.