Fake Pokemon Cards that look real! Selling as Proxies on eba

[tyronebiggums]

@azulryu

@tyronebiggums

This thread is laughable. Do people on here not realize that most of ebay’s employees are people out of India who can barely speak english? Most of them don’t even know anything about Pokemon, let alone anything outside of what is written on their script. I still can’t believe that people waste time trying to interact with eBay now a days. Even the few workers they have in the US just don’t care since they have metrics that make them force you off the phone as soon as possible.

Also, the people suggesting grading companies, yeah let’s get the high schoolers at PSA & Beckett involved and give them 5x the price to probably ignore this just like they ignored grading fake Yugioh cards.

I find your first statement offensive and unnecessary. There have been many members including myself who have had positive experiences with some of the employees and though while some of us have had to deal with certain frustrations, others have had success in dealing with customer service for some major incidents. I imagine people are trying to put the pressure on ebay to make that change, and if they continue to do so, that pressure MAY just work. Better to try than assume it won’t.

While it’s frustrating that Ebay won’t take a stance on fake product, your second comment rings some truth into the problem that some people have highlighted before. One of the setbacks of having an increased interest, an increased investment in product, and an increase in prices due to the popularity of grading, is the increased likelihood of fakes. Even in their best interest, companies like PSA have graded fakes before (Yugioh, as you mentioned, is where this has occurred the most), so grading isn’t a 100% guarantee (though there’s a large invested hope that CGC will change that).

The most we can do as collectors is put the pressure on people trying to sell fake cards, avoid the purchasing of them and circulation of them as much as possible, and have our voices heard.

Its true though. Its a waste of time go to after fraud on ebay since the people working there are pretty clueless or are in a poor country with no power sides reading a script. They pick and choose who they want to apply the rules to. If your a big company you can get away with alot of stuff. I remember with Magic when Hasbro released their Mythic Editions and they had to cancel 12000+ orders due to some error with inventory. Any regular person would get banned. Hasbro didnt get banned even with 1000+ negative feedbacks. Complete waste of time to spend energy on stuff like that since it will get you nowhere.

And grading companies, yeah don’t even get me started on them. I still to do this day don’t understand why people put a premium on what an 18 year old’s opinion is on your card. People think the management of these companies are the ones grading your stuff. Its not. Its a bunch of minimum wage workers who barely finished high school and have next to no expertise’s. Unbelievable the stuff people buy now a days.

[layalouhamesh]

I know this will be pretty unpopular, but I plan to buy a proxy of an Illustrator card from Orica to fill an otherwise unfillable hole in my collection. I also do not like faking cards, but while I can still hope to buy a Victory Orb one day, that one has gone far out of reach to me.

That said, I’ll happily make a review of the card when I get it so that people have materials to distinguish them and not get scammed.

[nickofturl]

I’ll trade you my fake money for your real money! DM me!

[layalouhamesh]

@layalouhamesh

I know this will be pretty unpopular, but I plan to buy a proxy of an Illustrator card from Orica to fill an otherwise unfillable hole in my collection. I also do not like faking cards, but while I can still hope to buy a Victory Orb one day, that one has gone far out of reach to me.

That said, I’ll happily make a review of the card when I get it so that people have materials to distinguish them and not get scammed.

Well, as I said I ordered a fake Illustrator to orica to have placeholder in my collection… and here is my review:

This is crap, don’t ever worry for your collection. International back instead of Japanese, 4 times thickness of a card, Christmas paper for holofoil… well I got refunded that’s the only positive point

[microgypsy]

lol i still have a 1st ed Charizard from this guy - quality is horrible, 2-3 thicker than normal card, glue marks all over, holo pattern is not even close…

[blueblastoise]

Took a quick look at his store, seems like he clearly marks everything as “handmade” and isn’t trying to pass them off as real. Why is this so bad? Not my cup of tea but people buy replicas of everything, clothes, watches, shoes, other collectibles, the demand is clearly there.

[fourthstartcg]

@blueblastoise

Took a quick look at his store, seems like he clearly marks everything as “handmade” and isn’t trying to pass them off as real. Why is this so bad? Not my cup of tea but people buy replicas of everything, clothes, watches, shoes, other collectibles, the demand is clearly there.

Took a quick trip to my local black market arms dealer. He clearly marks everything as illegal lethal weaponry, and isn’t trying to pass it off as legit. Why is this so bad? Not my cup of tea but people buy things illegally all the time. As long as there’s demand, anything is okay!

[ldubbs]

@fourthstartcg

@blueblastoise

Took a quick look at his store, seems like he clearly marks everything as “handmade” and isn’t trying to pass them off as real. Why is this so bad? Not my cup of tea but people buy replicas of everything, clothes, watches, shoes, other collectibles, the demand is clearly there.

Took a quick trip to my local black market arms dealer. He clearly marks everything as illegal lethal weaponry, and isn’t trying to pass it off as legit. Why is this so bad? Not my cup of tea but people buy things illegally all the time. As long as there’s demand, anything is okay!

LOL this is gold

[zorloth]

@blueblastoise

Took a quick look at his store, seems like he clearly marks everything as “handmade” and isn’t trying to pass them off as real. Why is this so bad? Not my cup of tea but people buy replicas of everything, clothes, watches, shoes, other collectibles, the demand is clearly there.

Aside from the fact that he’s profiting off of the IP of Pokemon, these ‘replicas’ also are directly contrary to the spirit of collecting. The whole point of this hobby is to collect authentic cards, not third-party print outs.

There’s an argument for proxies in MTG because not everyone is involved in MTG to collect. Some people just want to play the game and don’t care about collecting. But Pokemon is nearly 100% a collecting hobby. There are no shortcuts in collecting – collecting is about the process more than the outcome. Fake cards invalidate the efforts of collectors and there should be zero tolerance in this community for fake cards of any sort (even if the seller acknowledges that the cards are fake).

[blueblastoise]

@zorloth

@blueblastoise

Took a quick look at his store, seems like he clearly marks everything as “handmade” and isn’t trying to pass them off as real. Why is this so bad? Not my cup of tea but people buy replicas of everything, clothes, watches, shoes, other collectibles, the demand is clearly there.

Aside from the fact that he’s profiting off of the IP of Pokemon, these ‘replicas’ also are directly contrary to the spirit of collecting. The whole point of this hobby is to collect authentic cards, not third-party print outs.

There’s an argument for proxies in MTG because not everyone is involved in MTG to collect. Some people just want to play the game and don’t care about collecting. But Pokemon is nearly 100% a collecting hobby. There are no shortcuts in collecting – collecting is about the process more than the outcome. Fake cards invalidate the efforts of collectors and there should be zero tolerance in this community for fake cards of any sort (even if the seller acknowledges that the cards are fake).

But not everyone is that serious about collecting, some people just saw a cool card they like and went for a replica. Not like the real card market is going to be affected by it, the collectors spending thousands on the actual cards are hardly the same people that buy the fake ones. I don’t see why someone owning the real deal would be affected by someone else owning an obvious fake.

But I feel as if this is more of a personal belief/perspective thing, don’t think we’ll change each others minds much.

[rayquaza911]

I don’t see a problem with people selling orica / proxy cards as long as that is what’s described. Sometimes people buy them because they want to play them in decks (not only for Pokemon but other card games) because the real ones are too much for them.

But if you’re trying to pass counterfeit cards as legit then yeah that’s a problem. Also with a username like orica_cardmaker why would you expect real cards from them?

[papafrankgod]

@rayquaza911

I don’t see a problem with people selling orica / proxy cards as long as that is what’s described. Sometimes people buy them because they want to play them in decks (not only for Pokemon but other card games) because the real ones are too much for them.

But if you’re trying to pass counterfeit cards as legit then yeah that’s a problem. Also with a username like orica_cardmaker why would you expect real cards from them?

You contradict yourself

[rayquaza911]

@papafrankgod

You contradict yourself

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[papafrankgod]

@rayquaza911

@papafrankgod

You contradict yourself

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You know I play with written pieces of paper, so you don’t care when a person steals from the pokemon company but you care when a person steals from another buyer.

[layalouhamesh]

@zorloth

@blueblastoise

Took a quick look at his store, seems like he clearly marks everything as “handmade” and isn’t trying to pass them off as real. Why is this so bad? Not my cup of tea but people buy replicas of everything, clothes, watches, shoes, other collectibles, the demand is clearly there.

Aside from the fact that he’s profiting off of the IP of Pokemon, these ‘replicas’ also are directly contrary to the spirit of collecting. The whole point of this hobby is to collect authentic cards, not third-party print outs.

There’s an argument for proxies in MTG because not everyone is involved in MTG to collect. Some people just want to play the game and don’t care about collecting. But Pokemon is nearly 100% a collecting hobby. There are no shortcuts in collecting – collecting is about the process more than the outcome. Fake cards invalidate the efforts of collectors and there should be zero tolerance in this community for fake cards of any sort (even if the seller acknowledges that the cards are fake).

I would agree if some cards were not 6 digits in price. As a Mew collector, I obviously like the process of finding these cards, but I can’t realistically buy an Illustrator for a small cameo on a painted sheet of paper.

That said, the process of finding that cameo was cool enough that I’d be happy to have an Illustrator proxy in my collection of actual cards to show it off.

[papafrankgod]

@layalouhamesh

@zorloth

Aside from the fact that he’s profiting off of the IP of Pokemon, these ‘replicas’ also are directly contrary to the spirit of collecting. The whole point of this hobby is to collect authentic cards, not third-party print outs.

There’s an argument for proxies in MTG because not everyone is involved in MTG to collect. Some people just want to play the game and don’t care about collecting. But Pokemon is nearly 100% a collecting hobby. There are no shortcuts in collecting – collecting is about the process more than the outcome. Fake cards invalidate the efforts of collectors and there should be zero tolerance in this community for fake cards of any sort (even if the seller acknowledges that the cards are fake).

I would agree if some cards were not 6 digits in price. As a Mew collector, I obviously like the process of finding these cards, but I can’t realistically buy an Illustrator for a small cameo on a painted sheet of paper.

That said, the process of finding that cameo was cool enough that I’d be happy to have an Illustrator proxy in my collection of actual cards to show it off.

Sure, you can fool yourself that way