Someone messaged me to offer to buy a card for $1,850 through Paypal. This card last sold for $2,075 on eBay or almost $2,250 after tax. It really baffles me because his reasoning was “well that’s how much it is after the fees.” Gah!!
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I usually offer last ebay sold listing without 10% off. That way a) I save money from not having to pay sales tax b) Seller has an incentive to sell c) seller gets 10% more than they would normally. It’s a win-win.
Your going to pay pretty close to the same price but no tax. In my case my state still doesn’t have sales tax on eBay yet(TN), but most states have a sales tax on eBay at this point.
One benefit of buying on e4 is you might be able to find items not readily available on eBay.
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Exactly! The old “save on fees off eBay” negotiation is irrelevant because of eBay taxes.
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Hey, I’m a European, I can still attempt this good old one!
All jokes aside, I agree with most points made in the thread.
I have a lot listed on eBay that if someone wanted to buy off me I would take off my eBay fees no problem, but I have a store and top-rated seller status, so it’s 8ish% for me and maxes out at $250. So no, I wouldn’t do 10% off, unless you’re talking Paypal fees too.
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Sure. Ebay- seller’s listing, you can sometimes make best offer. They’re actively seeking to sell. They’re willing to pay fees.
e4wtb- ‘serious collectors’. Their cards were not necessarily for sale, if the OP makes WTB, they should be prepared to pay Market price or Even Market + Premium to get the card faster. Saving on fees is pretty irrelevant as it relates to the service used.
This isn’t to say that if the card was already listed on ebay by seller, and you recognize name on e-4, can attempt to request cheaper price and some will be happy to oblige (gary, as well a many others), but others may get irritated at price negotiations. If they are high volume, they may be very busy to answer all questions for discount related…
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When I sell something outside Ebay which is listed on my Ebay, I always take off all the Ebay fees.
I don’t really understand why the seller would not do that, in the end he earns the same amount of money in both cases, you should not be too greedy.
Obviously the situation is different for something which is not listed on Ebay, the buyer can not just say “I purchase your card for the last successful sale price on Ebay, minus the Ebay fees”, the seller must set his price, not the buyer ^^
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I don’t necessarily believe the E4 members cards aren’t for sale.
- I have bought several items off this forum for market or below.
- There was the recent inanctment of no trade threads, because people were using it solely to ADVERTISE the items they had FOR SALE.
- There is a no sell thread rule in place. Rules exist because they curb a problem.
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No one said people won’t ever sell cards. The point earlier was in relation to structure.
Also E4 isn’t one member. You have a variety of individuals. The point remains that buyers are requesting items on a platform that doesn’t actively have cards for sale. Therefore it’s inherently not going to be a good place to lowball. Especially since it’s the most concentrated platform of experience, ie people know what they have.
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I think a compromise in the middle is the best way to go since most buyers in most states have to pay some form of sales tax. Sellers are paying 10% ebay fees. Let’s assume it’s G/S transaction so Paypal fees are the same. Something in the 5-8 percent discount makes sense.
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I agree, my view was just that “E4 members aren’t selling” isn’t representative of the entire community.
But my point was the reason that this place doesn’t “actively have cards for sale” is because it’s against the rules. If that rule was taken away this place would get flooded. Most members on here have an eBay with several items up for sale at any given time.
Sure, if society didn’t have laws, it would be more unlawful. Same goes for the forum, the rules exist to keep away the virbankesque lack of structure.
Also a lot of the recent buy threads are requesting items that aren’t consistently available; Trophies, boxes, high graded cards. Regardless of structure, these items are inherently limited, and most are held by E4 members. Therefore in these cases its not a structure issue, its entirely an availability issue.
But who do you guys have in the NBA finals? Bucks or Lakers?
The other question that I’d have is how to you transact with trust outside of eBay. Is it worth the 10% to have a transaction that includes some assurances (buying from a highly graded seller).
Paypal g&s is always good
I do that often, but the challenge is that there are no assurances right? You have to trust big time…
What do you mean? If the package doesn’t come you can open a case. You have buyer security.
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Fake news. I meant friends and family have no assurances. G&S is solid!
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you can still pay the F&F with credit card - you do pay that 3-4% fee. in that case, you can easily take it up with the CC company in case anything happens. in reality, the seller has the higher risk.
i recently bought something off of IG and the guy wanted to argue about F&F being safer for them. it’s simply not true unless the buyer pays directly from the bank, in which case your funds are withdrawn and there is no recourse in most cases - however, i’ve heard some banks can still get the funds back somehow.
ultimately, the only safe way is via direct bankwire or cashier’s check. i believe really large transactions here are done that way.
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