TAG, im rooting for you buddy

First of all, I don’t think any of us are sitting around waiting for PSA, BGS, or CGC to suddenly roll out “AI grading” or tampering detection. People grade with whichever company they want to grade with for their own reasons, and if you like TAG for the reasons you already stated, that’s perfectly valid.

I’m only giving you my perspective. For long-term value, I don’t see TAG as the best option for grading.

I’ve been pretty vocal about TAG because I think they market themselves in a way that makes people think they have some incredible technological moat, when they really don’t. A lot of what they present as revolutionary is just a polished version of computer vision workflows that are very achievable for any serious grading company with capital, volume, and imaging infrastructure.

Using high-resolution imaging, segmentation, surface analysis, defect detection, and classification models to assist grading is completely doable. That part is not magic. In fact, it is the opposite of that. It also does not inherently require some groundbreaking leap in AI/ML. In a lot of cases, the hard part is not “building AI,” it’s deciding what standards you want the system to enforce, then operationalizing that and handling the transition period with employees as they learn to use new tools.

That’s why I’ve repeatedly said on E4 that the AI side of TAG’s business is not some massive barrier to entry. If anything, the larger grading companies are in a much stronger long-term position to build similar or better systems because they already have scale, scans and data for training, some of the necessary imaging infrastructure already in place, historical data, and massive submission volume. Those things matter a lot more than slapping “AI grading” on marketing materials or paying influencers to crack 10s from other companies and heap praise on the “AI grading process.”

And as restoration, trimming, cleaning, and other forms of tampering become more common, companies like Collectors are only going to have more incentive to improve their own detection workflows anyway, and that would not necessarily require AI. So I don’t really buy the idea that TAG is permanently out in front here in some untouchable way. They’re actually incredibly vulnerable and seem to be hoping for acquisition.

My bigger issue with them is the marketing. Things like the self-grading machine concept sound great in theory and probably sound great to investors too, but in practice that kind of thing becomes messy very fast. It’s the same pattern: present something futuristic, let people assume the technology is more advanced or defensible than it really is, and hope that perception carries the brand.

So my point was never that TAG cannot detect useful things, or that no one should grade with them. My point is that the “AI grading” angle is doing a lot of heavy lifting in their branding, and I think a lot of collectors are mistaking that branding for a real moat.

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Another day, another random TAG shill.

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I’m also rooting for TAG

wats the difference between tag and ace or w/e besides the fact that one is europeon :thinking:

What other options do we have? PSA? Where do I even begin with that company? It’s a miracle how far its gotten. BGS? Guess who just bought them out. Gotta support that good ol monopoly. CGC cant grade. I’ve seen plenty of grade 9 cards that have chunks of whitening from CGC. Am I going to start buying raw cards online? Yeah because buying raw cards that are labeled “Near Mint” when they’re Moderately Played at best is the way to go.

Dig reports, who needs those right? Just look at my card for 5 seconds and slap a 10 on it to make my cards jump +1000% in value. Because that’s going to sustain itself for the next 10 years. I’ll keep “shilling” for TAG little buddy.

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OOoooOooOoOoOoOoOoOoOooooOoooooOOOOOOOoooOOooOoOo :scream::scream::scream::scream::scream::scream::scream::scream:

Replying to TAG threads from people with 9 posts:

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God forbid someone dares even mention an alternative option. Having a smug attitude against TAG is crazy work. Was that TAG or PSA that damaged that 40k Deoxys card? Your main point on this thread was “What TAG is doing isn’t special and another company can easily do the same.” Okay well why arent they? The best we got out of the number 1 company right now was “Please dont talk about this Deoxys card we just damaged. We beg of you. If you do we promise you wont receive a penny for something we did to your card.” But we just gotta wait for them to step up to the plate and do whats already being done with TAG?

Incredible.

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TAG graded 700 cards last month. PSA graded over a million. Do you not think that TAG would also be having problems if they were grading over a million cards a month?

CGC makes mistakes also, but they’re all human. And I don’t think that’s a benefit to TAG because AI isn’t perfect either. Idk how long it takes to scan a card and process all of that, but if you scale what they’re doing up to a million, I can guarantee you that there would be tons of problems.

You’re absolutely allowed to have an opinion on TAG, but others are also allowed to have an opinion against it. And it seems that with every TAG zealot there’s an equally zealot Anti-TAG member speaking out against it.

I think people want TAG to be the next big thing, because I think that secretly everyone just wishes that grading was more consistent and scandal free. Unfortunately though, once the goggles are taken away from TAG as the answer to all the grading problems, you realize that it has just as many problems as everyone else.

I can’t tell you how many TAG 10s I’ve found with just the gnarliest corners. And the ding reports say that it’s perfect. And AI learning is actually a negative for the company. Because you’re telling customers that their grade isn’t as accurate because the system didn’t have as many scans to learn from. So older certs are inherently less valuable.

PSA at least tries to mitigate this by saying that they made their standard so that it wouldn’t matter when it was graded, that the grade would still be just as valuable.

And CGC is a net positive because they’re no longer trying to be “the harshest grader in all the land” and are giving what the average collector would feel as gem mint and giving a value to that as well. CGC is also incredibly consistent and fair with their grading, so there’s that as well.

I don’t think TAG’ll grow that much. I think that as much as people want grading to be better, I don’t think the answer is TAG.

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at the end of the day, the only purpose of grading companies is to increase the roi of the cards (or w/e other collectibles) u bought

for pokemans, the default is always to send to psa. the only reason u would send to another grading company is in the minority of instances when the grade u get at that company will surpass the value of the grade that u will get at psa for the same card. for eg, lets say if u think a card will get a psa 9 but that same card has minor imperfections that beckett or cgc dont consider as harshly and would instead get bgs 9.5 or cgc “10” u would obviously send it to those companies instead. another eg, u think the card will get a psa 10 but that same card is so mint that psa 10 is too low of a grade so u send it to beckett to try to get the bgs 10 or BL instead.

so the way tag fits into all of this is if u know what kinda of defects on which era of cards will get past their “AI” algorithm u would obviously feed it those to hit the 10 that might otherwise get a psa 9 or lower :rofl::rofl::rofl:

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The irony of making this statement when that’s essentially been the last 10 years~ or so of the hobby with PSA is quite frankly HILARIOUS.

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Aside from anything else, I think TAG slabs look aesthetically pleasing, and it’s interesting how they are trying to make the grading process less subjective and carve out a niche for themselves.

I’m a binder person anyway so grading doesn’t really affect me, but it’s good to see other companies try and generate some competition for PSA.

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I started to receive my first dozens of CGC pristines in order to crossgrade. Well…some of the cards are indeed worth of the grade but a few others have corners or edges that would put them at PSA9 at best. Just anecdotal experience :slightly_smiling_face:

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Agreed BUT as I’ve been told ai should be used as a tool not as the standard, if your writing a college essay you should use AI to help check and analyze not to write your essay it’s a great tool but TAG is using it not as a reviewing tool but as the essay writer

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supposedly its not fully ai/automated though
There are people involved throughout the process. Including evaluating the actual ai grading/ reviewing the scans with humans to filter out false flags/ evaluating the cards before they are even evaluated by their systems to check for alterations and authenticity, ext

thats just my understanding of the process

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Look I like the idea and I think their slabs look great, but TAG is having a lot of growing pains while they attmept to scale. They have also damaged a lot of peoples cards as well, and their customer service is just as flawed as PSA’s. Instead of sending lowball compensation offers, from what I’ve seen TAG just ghosts you entirely

Secondly, their technology misses A LOT of marks on cards, including obvious stuff the human eye catches easily. They need to find the fine line between automation and manual grading. They say humans look at the cards, but I’ve seen some blatant damage missed during grading that makes me doubt that

I would love for them to succeed solely to help mitigate the Collectors monopoly, but we should be careful crowning anyone the future of grading before they prove themselves and earn our trust

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