BGS usage is back on the menu boys
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not bad kid, keep up the good work
but in response to the topic at hand, nothing will change. the average collector doesnât give a damn about this if they even hear about it.
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Still lost 
PSA hasnât responded to me since last week
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Iâe never buy any high end/trophy card from CGC. Almost never had (only one AA but Iâll swap to PSA for that card), never will.
PSA is the way to go.
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DangâŚMy bad.
Consistency is key, overcoming adversity wins the war not the battle.
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I donât grade with or collect CGC but I doubt this will matter much in the grand scheme of things. You have to be pretty deep into the hobby to even know or care about this stuff. Hell I spoke to a buddy of mine yesterday about this and he had never even heard of these playtest cards let alone knew or cared about this mess. And heâs pretty involved in the hobby.
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Not sure if people here follow sports cards, but PSA slabbed literally thousands of trimmed cards and has only grown more popular since then.
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Grading altered cards has always been a thing even back in the 90s. The nice thing with PSA is their grade guarantee of which theyâve paid thousands if not more to correct the ones that pass through.
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Unfortunately concrete enough proof for a reimbursement rarely exists.
And then thereâs the actual value they pay back to you - which is based on their discretion. A friend of mine went through this process and received much less than what he paid.
Ultimately itâs a hollow guarantee.
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Itâs based on the market value at the time they reimburse the customer. In many cases the market value is multiple times higher than when the card was originally purchased. I know of one example where the card was purchased over a decade ago, was found to not be authentic, and the customer was reimbursed $150k for it.
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What is fair market value for a card proven to be fake?
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ze-wait, you lowk on to somethingâŚ
Now thatâs a rabbit hole in itself 
(assuming youâre talking about the protos)
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Yeah, Iâm aware. But itâs their determination of market value which can be based on things as out of touch as their SMR tables. Your only recourse is to try to sue them and waste legal fees.
The broader issue is that only a fraction of the trimmed cards they slab even make it to the point of a reimbursement. Theyâve shown no ability to detect this and clearly it does not affect their business.
I donât have any vendetta against PSA. All grading companies slab trimmed cards and counterfeits. PSA does so the most simply because they have the greatest volume.
Itâs all because people overvalue the opinion of some guy behind a label.
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Quite famously, PSA graded card number 00000001 (the first card ever) is a trimmed hand cut that they knew was trimmed but didnât notate lol
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IMO a trimmed card and forgery are two entirely different things.
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100%! This prototype scenario is beyond anything weâve previously experienced. While trimmed cards suck, they are altered real cards.
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exactly my thought process as well. If I have a trimmed card, at least itâs an altered real card.
A forgery, is literally duping someone with something inherently worthless.
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It will do absolutely nothing to them.
CGCâs authentication of the playtest cards was a completely foreseeable and in fact likely outcome of their wider high-end grading practices. I can probably count on two hands the number of high-end CGC cards that I donât believe were the result of âincentivizingâ in one form or another. CGC played with fire and got burned, but nobody with two brain cells to rub together was choosing CGC for their high end cards anyways, unless they got something out of it that made it worth it. And no, Iâm not talking about lower prices.
As others have noted, the scandal wonât affect CGCâs bottom-of-the-barrel whatnot mystery box stuffer business. In fact, with PSA raising prices on TCG bulk and no grading special in sight, I wouldnât be surprised to see CGCâs business increase like it did in 2021.
Effectively, there will be almost nobody that (a) was already submitting to CGC in significant numbers and (b) this scandal makes them stop doing it. If anything, the main output of this scandal will be a well-deserved reexamination of CGCâs high-end grading practices. However, I am not hopeful.
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