Show your Venusaur #13 Promo: Is the print lighter than other WOTC Grass Holos?

Hi everyone,

I’m comparing my WOTC Black Star Promo Venusaur #13 against some other WOTC Grass-type holos, especially Base Set Venusaur, and my #13 looks noticeably lighter / less saturated. The green tones on my Base Set Venusaur look much richer, while the #13 promo looks a bit washed out by comparison.

I’m trying to figure out whether this is normal for the #13 promo print, or whether my copy is just a lighter-printed example.

Could anyone with Venusaur #13 post comparison photos next to other WOTC Grass-type holos? Ideally things like:

  • Base Set Venusaur
  • Other Grass type Holo cards from Base / Base 2 / Jungle / Fossil / Neo Series

Same lighting / same photo would be especially helpful, even if the cards are different conditions. I’m mostly trying to compare print color and saturation.

Curious if others see the same lighter look on their #13 promos. Thanks!

Here’s my comparison photo:

Minor color differences are very common amongst alot of WOTC cards, and still happen in alot of modern. Different print runs could’ve used a slightly different mixture of ink which produced alot of different saturation. The ink levels and callibration back then changed alot too making saturation diffences fairly common.

You may or may not have already known this, but I was just curious on what you were going to say if 10 people did indeed post 10 varying saturations. If the card were blue, red, or some other color I think it would be interesting to talk about, but minor shades are normal to see.

Yes, I agree, minor saturation and color differences are very common with WOTC cards, and even modern cards can vary.

I just personally like investigating saturation variants and try to collect cards with stronger colors. Some sets or prints also seem naturally less saturated, for example Neo Discovery, Base Set 4th Print, Base Set 2, certain Fossil prints, and some WOTC promos.

Since I can’t buy multiple copies of every card just to know what the average looks like, community examples help me understand whether a copy is normal, above average, or unusually low in saturation. That’s also why having a reference card in the same image helps a lot, otherwise it’s often impossible to judge properly because lighting and camera settings can change everything.

@ItemfinderCo probably has a complete set of printings somewhere.

Alot of the cards printed around 2000 and later were much lighter than their early wotc counterparts.

It largely depends on where they were printed for the non-holos. In cases like this, its just what they went with. Not an error, just variation subjective to the printing and the colors they went with. Middle golem is a UK printer , other two are likely the second printing from 99, cant recall for sure but this was early in my collection so I didn’t have many variations

I could compare… if I had one :expressionless:
and just posting here because of jealousy

I have some UK Fossil non-holo rares in my set and the colours stand out so much against the “normal” prints that I honestly thought they were fakes when I first got them.

It is weird though because all of the Fossil packs I ever bought here in the UK at the time it was a new/recent set contained “normal” looking cards so it must have been a really specific, one-off printing or something?

I love the UK stuff. I still need a bunch of rares and uncommons. Some commons too.

I believe there were two printings. That’s how I identify them anyway until something new is discovered. The UK fossil theme decks actually have a specific international box design. The packs throw people off because they also say USA but take that with a grain of salt. They can probably get away with it since the foils were printed here

Thanks everyone, really appreciate the input and examples. This is very helpful for getting a better feeling for the average look of these cards.

And thanks for the shoutout: @ItemfinderCo , if you happen to have a Venusaur #13 and some comparable WOTC Grass holos, I’d really appreciate seeing a side-by-side photo under the same lighting. Would be super helpful as a reference.

@Nightvulture I agree with your observation that a lot of cards from around 2000 onward seem to look a bit lighter compared with the earlier WOTC prints.

From what I have seen, Base Set Unlimited 1999 cards and Jungle often have quite strong, darker and more saturated prints overall. Even when the yellow border varies a bit, the actual card colors often still look fairly rich.

With Fossil, especially the non-UK holo prints, I feel like there may be at least two noticeably different looks. Some copies have darker orange-yellow borders and a stronger, more saturated card body/artwork appearance, while others have a lighter yellow border and generally lighter colors across the card with a noticeable difference to Base / Jungle saturation.

Team Rocket seem to be overall lighter compared to Base / Jungle, which fits with the idea that the 2000-era prints can look different from earlier Base/Jungle cards. Their border color saturation does not correlate with the saturation of the artwork or card body in contrast to the Fossil I have seen.

Base Set 2 also seems generally a bit softer and less saturated to me compared with Base Set and Jungle (it also has both dark orange and light yellow border variants which dont seem to correlate with card body saturation).

For the Neo sets, I feel like the whole palette changed compared to Gen 1 prints. The yellow borders often look lighter compared with the Generation 1 WOTC sets, and saturation seems to depend a lot on the individual card color type. Fire and Psychic cards look very strong, while Fighting/Ground or Electric-type cards look comparatively lighter compared to Gen 1 era cards.

Among the Neo-era sets, Neo Discovery in particular feels to me like one of the lighter-looking sets on average. Compared with some other Neo sets, the colors seem much lighter and less saturated on average. Interestingly, the holo bleed variants of Neo Discovery seem to appear darker and more saturated than the regular variants. I wonder if the regular versions may have used a more opaque white layer to reduce the holo effect, which could also make the card body look slightly lighter / less dark.

I also find the WOTC Black Star Promos interesting in that regard. Some promos seem lighter on average, for example Mew #47 compared with Unown J or Misdreavus, while others like Mewtwo #3 or Mewtwo #12 can look extremely saturated.

The Colorless-type promos are also interesting. Dark Persian often seems quite lightly saturated in the card body, almost more white than grey, while Cool Porygon tends to look noticeably darker. Eevee seems to have a particularly wide spread: I have one copy that is very dark, even darker than Cool Porygon, but I’ve also seen copies where the card body looks almost white.

I find that really cool to investigate :slight_smile:

@xara

Only had a few within reach in my office but pulled out what I have!

Color variation isn’t jumping out at me on your original picture but hopefully this example is helpful to you