PSA 10 vs CGC 10 / BGS 9.5 for vintage grails

the proportion of cgc “10” value to psa 10 for this seems like quite the outlier tho. for vintage for eg, the ratio might be 1/4th or even less.

I’m looking at ROI not the absolute value. Say a PSA 10 of a card is $400 and CGC 10 is $100. If the PSA 10 goes to $800, the CGC 10 only has to increase to $200 to see the same ROI. And almost always the price between the two is correlated.

When it comes to long-term investments, buying the right card matters a lot more than buying the right label (or even grade sometimes)

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i think this can be true at times but it is not really a general rule (like in ur example id just take the psa 10 every time for a $400 card even if it has a lower % gain than the cgc :rofl:)

like if you extrapolate this to psa 9, the psa 9 change in price can be completely different than psa 10 (eg. cards with a super low psa 10 to 9 ratio)

The point is that buying the right card usually matters more than buying the right label

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Above is the meat and potatoes answer to the question and is the most important thing to keep in mind imo.

I’m not a fan of BGS 9.5s (or any half grade from any grading company). I’d rather just buy the 9 and save money or pay a premium and have a 10. That’s just personal preference though.

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Heres the thing,

Hes asking about vintage grails. Lets be completely honest here, if you pull a card like a first edition base zard, a crystal lugia, ext ext your very unlikely to grade with cgc

In the rare circumstances ppl actually do its almost always to either grade bump or pristine hunt

Cgc will never have comparable value on vintage and from what i hear there is a high likelihood psa buys cgc to be their budget grading arm

Those who grade with cgc likely do so because they are submitting 30-50++ cards at once and dont want to pay $15-$17+ per card plus the additional upcharges. Grading bulk submissions with psa could littlerly carry thousand(s) in charges

With that in mind, no reasonable person thinks cgc is better. Some DO like their slabs better and the potential for pristine cards but I dont see them long term as making parity with psa.
In fact, as psa increases prices… it makes users even more selective of the cards they’re willing to grade and also demand more money for their cards. This actually guarantees an even wider spread against cgc as time goes by

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I don’t care about the number, I care about the condition. I buy Gem Mint cards, whether that be a PSA 10, a BGS 9.5 or a CGC 10 that I get to see in person (CGC is far more lenient then BGS or PSA in regards to surface). I also cross grade a lot.

I have a lot of BGS 9.5s in my PC and in my general collection too that I got for a lot cheaper then a PSA 10 would have been while being in as good, if not better condition to those PSA 10s. I have been able to crossgrade a lot of them to a PSA 10s when I want to sell/trade them. I haven’t been as lucky cross grading CGC 10s to a PSA 10, but they’re pretty solid in hitting a BGS 9.5 with a 9 surface subgrade typically.

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